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The mindless left touts Obamacare due to it's mandate to accept pre-existing conditions but they somehow overlook the cost of this catastrophic legislation. The law is more than a fundamental change to the country’s health care system. It also is a massive tax hike. As The Heritage Foundation’s Federal Budget in Pictures shows, according to the most recent scores, Obamacare will increase taxes by nearly $800 billion for the period of 2013-2022. Only our liberals who work will be effected however.

 

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I don't agree with it but am praising God for being able to get my wife's back fixed. We couldn't get health insurance without excluding her back. She suffered for 11 years and just last week was pain free. Temporarily until they can do surgery. But the back pain issue was identified thanks to Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Oklahoma.

We lowered our pay to the lowest catagory and pay 490.00 per month. Included in our plan are all of the coverages we don't need and can never use. Also absent of dental and hearing which she needs both.
 

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I don't agree with it but am praising God for being able to get my wife's back fixed. We couldn't get health insurance without excluding her back. She suffered for 11 years and just last week was pain free. Temporarily until they can do surgery. But the back pain issue was identified thanks to Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Oklahoma.

We lowered our pay to the lowest catagory and pay 490.00 per month. Included in our plan are all of the coverages we don't need and can never use. Also absent of dental and hearing which she needs both.
Glad to see someone getting some use out of it that has been a contributing member of society.
 

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The mindless left touts Obamacare due to it's mandate to accept pre-existing conditions but they somehow overlook the cost of this catastrophic legislation. The law is more than a fundamental change to the country’s health care system. It also is a massive tax hike. As The Heritage Foundation’s Federal Budget in Pictures shows, according to the most recent scores, Obamacare will increase taxes by nearly $800 billion for the period of 2013-2022. Only our liberals who work will be effected however.



I don't understand, maybe I'm just a dumb redneck from Pa but I swear that obanya said it will save us money? Like 25% if I remember correctly. I'm still waiting for that to kick in any day now. If obummer said it it must be true? Right libs?
 

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I don't understand, maybe I'm just a dumb redneck from Pa but I swear that obanya said it will save us money? Like 25% if I remember correctly. I'm still waiting for that to kick in any day now. If obummer said it it must be true? Right libs?
To get the mindless democrats to jump on board, knowing they would not read the legislation, he promised the average family would save $2500. per year. My favorite though, was promising that employers would save as much as 3000% on their employee health care costs. It's going to take the IQ of ramalamadingdong to explain how that works. I know you can't believe he said that so I'll post if for 'ya.

 

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I don't agree with it but am praising God for being able to get my wife's back fixed. We couldn't get health insurance without excluding her back. She suffered for 11 years and just last week was pain free. Temporarily until they can do surgery. But the back pain issue was identified thanks to Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Oklahoma.

We lowered our pay to the lowest catagory and pay 490.00 per month. Included in our plan are all of the coverages we don't need and can never use. Also absent of dental and hearing which she needs both.
Years ago I posted here in the PRF the BS reasons I had been turned down for health insurance in the past, and all I heard back was if I really wanted health insurance, I could have gotten it. Unless they've lived it, people don't seem to understand how screwed up it was trying to get health insurance with preexisting conditions. I'm glad your wife isn't in pain anymore.:))THumbsUp Let me ask you this, would you rather your health insurance be the way it is now, and your wife's back is covered, or how it was before where your wife's back was excluded? It seems like a no brainer to me.
 

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The mindless left touts Obamacare due to it's mandate to accept pre-existing conditions but they somehow overlook the cost of this catastrophic legislation. The law is more than a fundamental change to the country’s health care system. It also is a massive tax hike. As The Heritage Foundation’s Federal Budget in Pictures shows, according to the most recent scores, Obamacare will increase taxes by nearly $800 billion for the period of 2013-2022. Only our liberals who work will be effected however.


It disappoints me there are such self-centered, self serving individuals that really don't give a shit about others. Many of these seem to be of the far-right wing sector.
I don't want to pay more in taxes, but for a country that is supposedly the finest in the world, but yet allows individuals that need health care not have access to it because they can't afford or just outright denied, is pathetic.
Perhaps there may be a day when they too could use a little help so they may better understand what being a good neighbor means.

These same jerks will say the illegals will abuse it, the minorities and poor don't pay for it, and it will bankrupt the country.
What about everyone else, as many will benefit, which make this a better country to be proud of and live in.

For those who criticize Obamacare, what other option has the right wing proposed? The answer is none, and they never will.
They are not concerned about others, they are only concerned with whats in it for them.

It may not be perfect, but it's a start. All of this crap was said about Social Security, Medicare and even the Army long ago.
 

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You are right Jim. I forgot the right hates there own Mothers and will leave them outside during the winters to save electricity. You are such a fucking douche. The only people that the right really doesn't like are morons like you. :asshat:

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So Jim let get this strait.
Your neighbor ( let's say is a lazy ass) comes and knocks on your door and says he needs you to acquire him health inssurance and and you need to pay for it too. This is cool with you?

For lazy fuckers to jump on Obummer care make me pay for there laziness...pisses me off. I don't have insurance because I don't want it, and I shouldn't have to pay a tax for not wanting it.

now I'm with helping people with pre-existing medical problems, like a law of no one can be denied for any reason. Along with a cap on how much one can be charged, and a supsidy, for exstream cases. But too have pay for insurance for my lazy ass neighbor/s cause he does not want to work and pay his own way in life.

..... Fuck my neighbors, I got boat parts to buy on the little money I have.
 

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According to the government's own numbers, only 4% of America is covered by Obamacare. Of those, nearly 80% receive some subsidies. You don't have to do the math. The chart explains it well. It's costing so much more than ever imagined that it has proven to be the worst legislation ever passed in America, hands down.
 

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So Jim let get this strait.
Your neighbor ( let's say is a lazy ass) comes and knocks on your door and says he needs you to acquire him health inssurance and and you need to pay for it too. This is cool with you?

For lazy fuckers to jump on Obummer care make me pay for there laziness...pisses me off. I don't have insurance because I don't want it, and I shouldn't have to pay a tax for not wanting it.

now I'm with helping people with pre-existing medical problems, like a law of no one can be denied for any reason. Along with a cap on how much one can be charged, and a supsidy, for exstream cases. But too have pay for insurance for my lazy ass neighbor/s cause he does not want to work and pay his own way in life.

..... Fuck my neighbors, I got boat parts to buy on the little money I have.
I've got boat part to buy too and no I don't want to pay for others insurance, but why should I have to pay school tax when I don't have kids?
Why does everyone have to pay for roads if they don't drive?
Why do I have to pay for the Congress and Senate when they don't do anything? They get insurance, don't they?
Why do I have to pay for the Space Program, I don't plan on leaving the earth anytime soon?

Most of the people now able to get insurance are good people and while were at it, don't forget all the kids that are now covered, not all are lazy asses.
So your solution would be, they are a casualty of bad circumstances or being less fortunate?
Like it or not, ObamaCare has helped a lot of good people too.

With the wealth in this country, do you really think health insurance can't be afforded?
Is this a great nation, or is everyone out for themselves?
I can afford to do ether one, I choose to share in supporting something that helps.
It isn't perfect, it's a start. It's still the right thing to do.
 

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Health care is not a right any more than boat ownership is. At what point will the liberals finally see that give-away programs are only costing the productive class and seldom benefiting them. Only the liberal mind would believe health care is a right. Go South of the USA and tell me any other country that has national health care. I have Canadian winter neighbors who take care of most of their major medical while they are here in the USA because of the weakness of their national healthcare and England's is far worse.

You liberals need to risk it all by starting your own businesses, then hire a bunch of employees and come back after three decades or so and tell us what you believe but as long as you are dependent upon others to provide for you - either through employment or welfare, you will NEVER understand what is truth about this disaster of legislation. I guarantee you will NEVER support legislation like this when you are part of the productive class.
 

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I agree with you on not paying a school tax, I have no kids and don't like them. I should not have to pay a school tax. People with kids should be charged extra for every kid they have, which as a result might help with unplanned parent hood.

Most of the road taxes come from poeple when they license their autos and trailers, along with buying fuel.

you are right about the senate not doing anything, and why should we have to pay for there lazy asses? Let's fire all of them and put term limits on all polictal positions and the pay. Poor when you you enter office, and poor when you exit office.

Space program you got me on that one.... Wait do you have satellite tv?

Not all the people that are getting insurance are good people, I personaly know a few that are users of the system, and are dirt bags. I wouldn't piss on their face if their mouth was on fire.

Obummercare has also screwed more than it's helped.

By the way this country is not that well off.

How much is your insurance? For me it's more than a truck payment on a brand new dully pick up ( which I would love to have, but can't afford).
 

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How much is your insurance?
Now you've opened Pandora's box. You're not conversing with an employer. He's not even a person, just an Internet troll. He'll say anything and claim everything because nothing is real or verifiable. It's been some time since 'ol Jim er Ram er Perry has been a somebody real.:)hand:)hand:)hand
 

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Now you've opened Pandora's box. You're not conversing with an employer. He's not even a person, just an Internet troll. He'll say anything and claim everything because nothing is real or verifiable. It's been some time since 'ol Jim er Ram er Perry has been a somebody real.:)hand:)hand:)hand
:))THumbsUp So True!
Whenever anyone post their attempt to make valid points or ask a debatable question, the only responses you will receive from Perry Jim is his deliberate controversial aggravations. By design, the only responses you will see from Perry Jim is this little monkey's continued attempts to pull your tails as he enjoys watching you jump, get aggravated, and chase after his false rhetoric. However, when do you nail him with undeniable logic, which is very easy, he will throw his own feces and/or simply disappear from that thread, or he will switch "user names" and agree with himself. And what I find entertainingly ironic, this Liberal Monkey presents himself to be everything he claims to hate about Conservatives.

I'll join Doc's position as I am no longer allowing this aggravating monkey to "pull my tail". :thumb:​



SNiC "posted earlier in another thread" said:
Yep! It is all just a game to him. He is from nowhere as he does not exist. Just a character derived from the figment of his deranged and retarded imagination. However, what is very real is his limited intellect and immaturity and how he portrays himself to be a Liberal who is on "top of his game" when in all reality respectable Liberals are hanging their heads in embarrassment and shame.
 

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I agree with you on not paying a school tax, I have no kids and don't like them. I should not have to pay a school tax. People with kids should be charged extra for every kid they have, which as a result might help with unplanned parent hood.

Most of the road taxes come from poeple when they license their autos and trailers, along with buying fuel.

you are right about the senate not doing anything, and why should we have to pay for there lazy asses? Let's fire all of them and put term limits on all polictal positions and the pay. Poor when you you enter office, and poor when you exit office.

Space program you got me on that one.... Wait do you have satellite tv?

Not all the people that are getting insurance are good people, I personaly know a few that are users of the system, and are dirt bags. I wouldn't piss on their face if their mouth was on fire.

Obummercare has also screwed more than it's helped.

By the way this country is not that well off.

How much is your insurance? For me it's more than a truck payment on a brand new dully pick up ( which I would love to have, but can't afford).
We could probably agree on some points, and yes not all people who receive assistance are good people.
No, I don't have satellite TV, but virtually all TV signals are done via satellite. I do watch TV.
I don't know that I feel Obamacare has hurt more than helped overall, but something did/does need to be done in regard to health insurance and it wasn't.
Health Insurance is expensive, but Health Insurance hasn't been getting cheaper over the years for anyone. In fact it was getting more expensive very fast and what was being provided to those who had it was becoming less and more restrictive.
Health Insurance CEO's are among the highest paid people in the country for their good job of making a profit at our expense.

As I've said before, I don't want to pay more taxes, but I do believe something needs to be done because there are a lot of people getting squeeze out of the programs by the insurance companies.
For those who say they don't want to pay for insurance, and that it should be their choice, that sounds good and noble.
In reality, if they have no insurance and do get injured or sick, they could go to any medical physicality and would be treated, and they can't be refused. That has been the law for many years.
Federal Health insurance makes it more universal and allows some to enjoy a better life.
 

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Now you've opened Pandora's box. You're not conversing with an employer. He's not even a person, just an Internet troll. He'll say anything and claim everything because nothing is real or verifiable. It's been some time since 'ol Jim er Ram er Perry has been a somebody real.:)hand:)hand:)hand

For people like you, no one is important and only what you say matters, or so you think.

As far as your peep SNIC, he hasn't posted anything debatable that I've seen. Both you and he only throw around generic, worn out, meaningless, nonsense hate phrases.
Can either one of you come up with something new that's meaningful?
 

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...Can either one of you come up with something new that's meaningful?
Yes and thanks for asking!
As you posted earlier (below).... what is unmeaning about my response? You asked and I answered your "gotcha question" with historically verifiable facts regarding the definition of "neighbor", and your response; you were going to "let me" tell MY interpretation to the "Big Guy".

Shall we review.....

.... but I can't help but remember what Jesus taught:

Matthew 22:39
And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'

If you look up the biblical definitions of "neighbor", and "enemies" there are several definitions throughout the "Old" & "New" testaments. After reading these definitions you may see things in a different light.

In the Old Testament Era


The original meaning of neighbor was "associate" (Hebrew, rea). In Leviticus 19:18, the term clearly referred to a fellow Hebrew: "Do not take revenge or bear a grudge against members of your community, but love your neighbor as yourself; I am Yahweh." Here the parallel for "your neighbor" is "members of your community." The Israelites were to treat such persons fairly and kindly and were not to cheat or rob them. Further, they were to extend the same kindness to the foreigner dwelling among them: "when a foreigner lives with you in your land, you must not oppress him. You must regard the foreigner who lives with you as the native-born among you. You are to love him as yourself, for you were foreigners in the land of egypt; I am Yahweh your God" (Lev. 19:33).

In the New Testament era

A narrower interpretation of "neighbor" arose, one the Qumran community and the Pharisees espoused. People living at Qumran defined "neighbor" as someone who was part of their separatist community. Everyone outside that community dwelled in darkness and was to be shunned in order to avoid spiritual contamination. Although the people at Qumran were to hate the "children of darkness," or the "men of the pit," they did not tolerate taking personal vengeance.


THE BIBLE TEACHES that each disciple of our Lord has a number of enemies. These enemies war with the Christian as long as he continues beset with personal human frailties and is confined in an imperfect society. Life here on earth is both a testing ground and a battleground. The Christian must always keep in mind his pledge of fidelity to be a good soldier under his Captain.

The Christian life is indeed a warfare. Paul wrote in Ephesians 6:12 that "we wrestle" against the powers of darkness. It is a serious distortion of truth for any to imply, as do some evangelists, that becoming a Christian leads to a life of ease. All things do not become simple and smooth. The implication is false that, once one declares his determination to serve God, trouble and affliction are banished with that initial decision.

The Scriptures instruct us to "love not the world." We also learn from Scripture that to be a friend of the world is to be an "enemy of God" (1 John 2:15, James 4:4). It is well to understand just what is meant in Scripture by 'the world' regarding which Jesus warned. The 'world' is that whole value-system which dominates whatever form of society may be our lot to experience, and it is contrary to the ways of God.

The term "the world" is used in the Bible in several ways. It sometimes speaks of the created world--the rugged mountains, the surging ocean waves, and the beauty of a sunset. These in themselves are not a threat to our spiritual welfare, and thus we would not consider the created world to be our spiritual enemy. The word 'world' is also used with reference to the world of people who make up our society. God loves that 'world', as assured in John 3:16, and we are exhorted to follow God's example of love for that world.

The 'world' which we are not to love is the self-centered way of human life which ignores God, and operates by selfish principles and lives by ungodly standards. The philosophy of the world says that the only important thing is "this life." The principles of the world are force, greed, selfishness, ambition, and pleasure. The 'world,' in the Greek, kosmos, is a system that comprises a way of life which, according to fleshly human values, is seen as exciting and colorful and seductive and sweet and wonderful. As a result, Christians are constantly in danger of getting involved and entangled in it to a degree that spiritual values could be given second place.

Well Snic, I'll let you explain your interpretation to the Big Guy when that time comes.:))THumbsUp:)
Sorry PG, you do not get off the hook that easy.
Your going to "let me explain" :confused:, thanks your holiness. :hmmm:

FACT:These are NOT my interpretations. There are many versions of the bible available which validate my posted responses to your attempted gotcha, "love thy neighbor" question. If only you would take the time to read, the answers are there......
CONCLUSION:
And as I clearly nullified your "gotcha question" with verifiable and historical facts, you never responded and ran as you always do when faced with the reality of your self imposed dilemmas.
 

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Great response Snic!
He, believes he's real but he's not.
If he were real, I'd challenge him to a contest of service and charitable donations but he'll probably respond with something like, "I can't answer now because I'm off to India to vaccinate children after donating a couple million more to the Bill & Melinda Gates foundation." hil:) hil:)

phony people are always trying to get away with this stuff hil:) hil:)
 
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