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Are you union people insane? I belong to a union, a very small one with a brain, so I see the value in it, but what the hell are they thinking.

they work for the state, the state is out of money, people of the state are broke and don't want higher taxes so where is the money going to come from?

On top of that we have high unemployment and they are bitching about days off without pay when some have nothing in hard times. This is a bad mistake that I think is going to backfire.:mad:

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SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - California's largest state employees' union voted on Saturday to approve a strike authorization measure to protest furloughs of state workers and pressure state officials to ratify its labor contract.
A spokesman for Service Employees International Union Local 1000 said a strike was not imminent but that the vote authorized union officers to initiate certain job actions, including a strike if necessary.
The SEIU represents about 95,000 state employees, including clerical workers and teachers.
The group's labor contract with the state expired last year, SEIU spokesman Jim Zamora said. The union negotiated a new deal with Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger's administration in February, but the contract has not been ratified by the state Legislature.
Earlier this week, the Republican governor signed a bill that closed a more than $24 billion budget gap. Under the legislation, furloughs will continue for state workers for three days a month, cutting their pay by 15 percent.
"We feel that he (Schwarzenegger) really undermined any kind of a contract deal by pushing these furloughs on folks," Zamora said.
The SEIU said the strike authorization was approved by 74 percent of its membership.
 

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Let 'em stand out front and picket. Best palce for'em and the state doesn't have to pay.

Utter fools that never recognize the big picture and the reasons for "their" problems.
 

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How dumb can these people be? This is proof as to why this State is in the trouble its in. Also shows why the auto makers are struggling. I would give my left nut to have a job at all. I would have gladly taken a cut in pay or a day off a week unpaid just to keep my job.
 

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The days off without pay is a bullshit statement. What are you doing with your vacation holiday checks that you pay for and they hold for you? I see guys blow them all the time and i ask why arent you saving those.:)grn
The Unions will get a fed bailout,since they paid for a large portion of the campaingn against America. I get tired of the vote this way crap, the Unions need new management.
 

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If the State was smart they would say go ahead and strike then when they do, the jobs can be easily filled by the ones with no jobs. I say go on strike and let us who want to work have those jobs. One more thing make the new jobs non union and keep them that way. Simple as that
 

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Nice idea brad, but, illegal, per the very contracts that permit the union membership to strike.
Those contracts also permit the non-union workers to stay home w/o sanction, and forbid the employer from hiring replacements in any manner.

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SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - California's largest state employees' union voted on Saturday to approve a strike authorization measure to protest furloughs of state workers and pressure state officials to ratify its labor contract.
A spokesman for Service Employees International Union Local 1000 said a strike was not imminent but that the vote authorized union officers to initiate certain job actions, including a strike if necessary.
The SEIU represents about 95,000 state employees, including clerical workers and teachers.
The group's labor contract with the state expired last year, SEIU spokesman Jim Zamora said. The union negotiated a new deal with Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger's administration in February, but the contract has not been ratified by the state Legislature.
Earlier this week, the Republican governor signed a bill that closed a more than $24 billion budget gap. Under the legislation, furloughs will continue for state workers for three days a month, cutting their pay by 15 percent.
"We feel that he (Schwarzenegger) really undermined any kind of a contract deal by pushing these furloughs on folks," Zamora said.
The SEIU said the strike authorization was approved by 74 percent of its membership.




Did you guys not read the quote? Or just not understand it?

It clearly says they took a strike authorization vote to get negotiations going. They are trying to reopen negotiations since the Gov doesn't like what he already agreed upon. They came to an agreement in Feb and it is still sitting, waiting on the state legislature.

State workers might not be the smartest group in the bunch, but striking right now would be like shooting their own foot off. So would allowing every state union worker to walk out and shutting down the whole state. On second thought...
 

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SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - California's largest state employees' union voted on Saturday to approve a strike authorization measure to protest furloughs of state workers and pressure state officials to ratify its labor contract.
A spokesman for Service Employees International Union Local 1000 said a strike was not imminent but that the vote authorized union officers to initiate certain job actions, including a strike if necessary.
The SEIU represents about 95,000 state employees, including clerical workers and teachers.
The group's labor contract with the state expired last year, SEIU spokesman Jim Zamora said. The union negotiated a new deal with Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger's administration in February, but the contract has not been ratified by the state Legislature.
Earlier this week, the Republican governor signed a bill that closed a more than $24 billion budget gap. Under the legislation, furloughs will continue for state workers for three days a month, cutting their pay by 15 percent.
"We feel that he (Schwarzenegger) really undermined any kind of a contract deal by pushing these furloughs on folks," Zamora said.
The SEIU said the strike authorization was approved by 74 percent of its membership.




Did you guys not read the quote? Or just not understand it?

It clearly says they took a strike authorization vote to get negotiations going. They are trying to reopen negotiations since the Gov doesn't like what he already agreed upon. They came to an agreement in Feb and it is still sitting, waiting on the state legislature.

State workers might not be the smartest group in the bunch, but striking right now would be like shooting their own foot off. So would allowing every state union worker to walk out and shutting down the whole state. On second thought...

You need to understand what was in the original agreement to realize why he has not signed it. They don't' need to strike to renegotiate a contract, the perception will be bad right now in my opinion.
 

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You need to understand what was in the original agreement to realize why he has not signed it. They don't' need to strike to renegotiate a contract, the perception will be bad right now in my opinion.
I have NO idea what is in the original agreement that was agreed to but not signed by the legislature.

Again, they are not striking yet. They only took a strike authorization vote so that if they do decide to strike in
30 days, they will be legal. It is just a negotiation tactic at this time.

They cannot renegotiate an agreed upon contract unless the party that has not signed it yet agrees to open it up.

I agree, perception is bad now.
 

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Regan fired the air trafic controls when they striked.Its a kick in the teeth to me to see the unions doing this, theres people that have no jobs and Im down 2/3 of what I was making.
 

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Regan fired the air trafic controls when they striked.Its a kick in the teeth to me to see the unions doing this, theres people that have no jobs and Im down 2/3 of what I was making.
I don't know anyone right now making good money.

I also believe there is a lot of mismanaged money in our state of CA at present, and our current budget will not be enough to get us in the black.
 

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Regan fired the air trafic controls when they striked.
Also...

The workers Reagan fired were striking illegally. He gave them a 48 hour warning to return to work or be fired.

This is why the CA state union workers took a strike authorization vote of which was approved by only a 74% margin.
 

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Let m strike. We'll quickly find out how little the state employees do that truly effects productive Californians.

State Services we need.

Law Enforcement
Fire
Infrastructure
 

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from the Sacramento Bee. Not all State Employees should be lumped into the same category.

The truth about State Worker pay is: Here are the facts for those very few interested (sic) in the truth. State Workers received the following wage increases since 1991:
91-92 0,
92-93 0,
93-94 5%,
94-95 3%,
95-96 0,
96-97 0,
98-99 5.5%,
99-00 4%,
00-01 4%,
01-02 0,
02-03 0,
03-04 0,
04-05 5%,
05-06 0,
06-07 0
08-09 -15%.
The net of all the pay raises over this 20 year span is 11.5%. Given that the CPI index (inflation) has increased 56.87% during the same time frame, the average State Worker is now making 45.37% less in real income than the same worker made in 1991. State workers were paid at an equivalent rate as their federal counterparts 25 years ago. We now receive approximately 45% less than our federal counterparts. That is because their wages are adjusted for COLAs based on the CPI. If your real life job paid you 45% less than you were paid in 1991, you'd be screaming bloody murder
 

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It's all moot soon anyway. There will be no need for 3/4 of the infrastructure eventually.

Seen the stats on manufacturing leaving the State lately?

I saw this morning video of several plants of different types shut down and moved to AZ or overseas.

The one in particular was a smelter of sorts where recycled brass and other metals were cast into bulk bar (ingots) for resale to manufactures.

They shut down (by choice) because the cost of taxation on their emissions made it a losing venture. The local city Gov. cited them and tried imposing the tax. They shut the door and 300 local jobs vanished.
Now, the customers who bought that metal also will be relocating for supply reasons.
I swear, cutting off the head to save the body seems to be the norm anymore.
 
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