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About this and the way you learned to drive a boat and Knowing what you know now about boating, Do you still think a license is needed? Yes or no??? Also Remember this has been the way boating has been for years, Learn as you go, Just try to becarefull is all. People have car accidents every day, And we are all trained to drive a car!!! So once again yes or no??? Law enforcement officers want boaters licensed before they get behind the wheel



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10:00 PM PDT on Thursday, July 23, 2009


By GENE GHIOTTO
The Press-Enterprise

A personal watercraft shooting out a rooster tail as it zipped across Lake Elsinore recently caught the eye of a couple of sheriff's deputies on patrol.
The rider whipped a 180-degree turn and suddenly was traveling against the flow of boat traffic. On a busier day, it could have been an accident waiting to happen.
For Riverside County sheriff's deputies Bill Young and Scott Larsen, watching from their patrol boat, it was a good example of the need for licensing requirements for boaters, much like the licenses automobile drivers must have.
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Riverside County deputies Bill Young, left, and Scott Larsen cite boaters on Lake Elsinore. California had 686 boating accidents last year, leading to 48 deaths. Four of those fatalities and 13 injuries came in Riverside County. San Bernardino County had no deaths but 49 injuries.​




Licenses would be a way to ensure that boaters know the rules of the water, the deputies said.
As it stands, all a person needs to do is buy or rent a boat to be able to drive it -- whether it be a large, high-powered ski craft or a small but agile personal watercraft.
"You can go out and buy a boat today and be on the water tomorrow without taking any kind of safety course," Young said. "There should be some kind of licensing requirement."
Licensing for boaters was proposed last year by the Recreational Boaters of California, a nonprofit organization that works to protect the interests of recreational boaters. The measure was approved by the Legislature but vetoed by Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, said Gloria Sandoval, spokeswoman for the state Department of Boating and Waterways.
She cited the budget crisis as a factor in the governor's decision.
Unsafe Waters
Inexperienced boaters can violate the rules without even realizing it, law enforcement officials said. Uninformed boaters may travel against the flow of traffic on a lake, speed in no-wake zones or do trick maneuvers on personal watercraft without watching for other boats.
Mistakes can be deadly.
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Licensing for boaters was proposed last year by the Recreational Boaters of California. The measure gained legislative approval but was vetoed by Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger.​









Last year, California had 686 boating accidents. Of those, 48 resulted in deaths and 382 in injuries, Sandoval said. Forty-nine percent of the accidents were alcohol-related.
Riverside County last year had 21 boating accidents that killed four people and injured 13, Sandoval said. In San Bernardino County, 47 accidents resulted in no deaths, but 49 injuries.
The state department's Web site offers tips on boating safety, rules of the waterways and an online safety course for boaters. But the course is not required.
"There is a need for boat operators to understand the rules of the water," said Sgt. Tim Smith, who is in charge of marine enforcement at the San Bernardino County sheriff's River Station, which patrols the Colorado River.
Fatal boating accidents are not uncommon on the river. Two Murrieta teens on a personal watercraft were killed there in July 2008 when they struck a boat.
Earlier this month, a 23-year-old Moreno Valley boater was killed when his southbound boat tried to pass another southbound boat and struck one heading north.
"We do believe alcohol is going to play a role in the collision," Smith said.
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Deputy Bill Young, foreground, checks out a boater's registration information as Deputy Scott Larsen writes a citation. Because there is no licensing needed to drive a boat, "You can go out and buy a boat today and be on the water tomorrow without taking any kind of safety course," Young says.​




The accident still is under investigation.
Increasing the Risk
Lack of knowledge coupled with the use of alcohol increase the chances for a boating accident, experts say. While motorists cannot legally have open containers of alcohol in their vehicles, there is no such law for recreational boaters.
"Put alcohol in the mix and you have the potential for disaster," Young said.
Boat operators can be cited for boating under the influence. The operator, if older than 21, must not have a blood alcohol level of .08 or more, the same limit that applies to auto drivers.
Norb Ruhmke, superintendent at the Lake Perris State Recreation Area, agrees that boaters need licenses and safety training.
"Maybe they should go to a boating safety class before licensing," he said. "Maybe someone like the manufacturer could put on a class."
Smith said classes are needed because boats are bigger and faster than ever.
"It's not uncommon to see boats in excess of 30 feet that can go 100 miles per hour," he said.
"There is a need for boat operators to understand the rules of the water."
Reach Gene Ghiotto at 951-375-3729 or [email protected]
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This is one of those catch 22 situations, do we license everyone and pay more money for our hobby, not to mention having to deal with more bureaucracy OR do we have no licensing requirements and continue to deal with idiots on jet skis, rented pontoon boats, wake board boats who think they own the water and the jackasses that think wide sweeping S turns are ok if you're towing a tube? Me? I'm all for licensing.
 

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I DO NOT support licensing. This will just put a whole new bureaucracy in place.

I do, however support laws that require the completion of a Boating Safety Course. The mechanism for this is already in place, and is offered in most places for free or a nominal fee. Completion of the courses is already tracked in state data bases,and could be retrieved in the field, if necessary.

Just taking an 8 hour course will do wonders in significantly reducing accidents, injuries and fatalities, which has happened in every state that has a mandatory education program.
 

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I doubt 5% of boaters know the definition of "stand-on vessel". Not many more know any navigation rules at all. I know is I'm tired of spinning my head while I boat, looking for the other idiots.

Maybe a license isn't the answer, but there needs to be some sort of mandatory training along with enforcement of the rules of navigation. Either fine them or blow 'em out of the water with a 3" deck gun.....
 

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I doubt 5% of boaters know the definition of "stand-on vessel". Not many more know any navigation rules at all. I know is I'm tired of spinning my head while I boat, looking for the other idiots.

Maybe a license isn't the answer, but there needs to be some sort of mandatory training along with enforcement of the rules of navigation. Either fine them or blow 'em out of the water with a 3" deck gun.....
Def Yes...;)
 

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I DO NOT support licensing. This will just put a whole new bureaucracy in place.

I do, however support laws that require the completion of a Boating Safety Course. The mechanism for this is already in place, and is offered in most places for free or a nominal fee. Completion of the courses is already tracked in state data bases,and could be retrieved in the field, if necessary.

Just taking an 8 hour course will do wonders in significantly reducing accidents, injuries and fatalities, which has happened in every state that has a mandatory education program.
I agree 100% with this Boat Cop.
 

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I'm sorry, I just can't help commenting about the July 23, 2009 "Boat Licensing" article that appeared in the Riverside Press Enterprise -- incredibly inaccurate and badly researched. I've sat through countless meetings on this subject here in Southern California and in Sacramento -- maybe this will shed a little light on the subject. California attempted in both 2007 and 2008 to pass a mandatory boating education law. Assemblyman Mike Duvall (R, Brea) was the sponsor of the 2008 bill (AB 2110). The quote in the article attributed to Gloria Sandoval of the Department of Boating and Waterways regarding that "the measure" was approved but vetoed by the Governor" is totally false, and I know Gloria would never say such a thing. Although this bill had support from many boating organizations (RBOC, SCMA, NCMA, etc.), it failed to move forward in the legislative process and was dropped (both in 2007 and 2008) because there was no hope of funding the enormous cost of the program. Here is what the bill called for: the term licensing was not used -- instead it called for mandatory education in the form of a written test (pass or fail) which was to be prepared by the Department of Boating And Waterways. The law was to become effective January 1, 2012 with an eight year phase-in period according to age. It was estimated that approximately 3 to 4 million boat operators in California would have to take this test (about basic rules of the waterways, safety and boat handling). When the boat operator passed the test, he or she would be issued a card/certificate (not a license) which would be valid for life. The fee for the card/certificate was not to exceed $13. The unfortunate part of the plan was the fact that the DMV data base would be responsible for administrating the enrollment, and quite likely DMV offices would likely be the site of where the test would be given. It was estimated that thousands of new DVM employees would have to be hired and trained in order to accommodate 400,000 to 500,000 boat operators annually for a period of eight years. When the state budget office finally got around to calculating the cost of this, the bill simply ran out of steam. As a footnote, California is only one of nine states that does not have some kind of mandatory education requirement to be a boat operator.
 

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I DO NOT support licensing. This will just put a whole new bureaucracy in place.

I do, however support laws that require the completion of a Boating Safety Course. The mechanism for this is already in place, and is offered in most places for free or a nominal fee. Completion of the courses is already tracked in state data bases,and could be retrieved in the field, if necessary.

Just taking an 8 hour course will do wonders in significantly reducing accidents, injuries and fatalities, which has happened in every state that has a mandatory education program.
OK, certificate works for me.:D As long as there is mandatory training.
 

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really what is a license going to do for anybody..we have a license to drive a car and people speed and drive drunk..etc..if you have a license to operate a sea-doo will that keep you from doing donuts and jumping wakes etc( all which are in a safe manner, not radical is what i am refering to.), which is not against the law. no i am not supporting any certain group. yes there should be age restrictions on all watercraft and agree with what boat cop said..after 30 years of being in boating and took a refresher cours last year. there were some things that i forgot and didnt know the answer to. was glad i did it..
 

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I completed the coast guard safetly class when I was 8 years old. Why not make people talk that class. It was very informative on how to pass oncomming boaters and how to pass slower boaters infront of you, etc.. The only thing I did and still do suck at is knots. :|err
 

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I've got to say I hope we do get licenses some day. Hopefully it will take some of the idiots off of the water.
This is what i'm sayin.....over the a-hole that has money, hasn't been to the water since they were a kids, hey hunny lets buy a boat...I think there needs to be structure for safety, remember my kids are in the water! Yes it sucks for us that have been on a boat every summer of are lives, but it will weed out the a-holes......

I think everybody should haft to pass a parallel park at a dock between two boats.....that will weed them out.
 

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in canada, as of september15,2009 "EVERYONE who operates a mororized pleasure craft must carry proof of competence on board at all times" , age, under 12yrs with no direct supervision, may operate a boat with up to 10 h.p. ages 12 to 16 with no direct supervision may operate a boat with up to 40 h.p. under 16 regardless of supervision MAY NOT OPERATE A P.W.C.! but, YOUTH UNDER 16 require proof of competency to operate ANY motorized boat, supervised or not. 16 or older no h.p. restrictions. the fee for this proof of competence,,50$, (another cash grab), If you are a non resident visiting canada with your boat, you are NOT REQUIRED to carry proof of competency? as long as your boat is in canada for less than 45 days. "fines",, not enough life jackets=200$,not having proof of competency on board=250$, not having the pleasure craft licence(boat I.D.) on board= 250$ allowing some one to operate under age= 250$, operating a boat without a proper working muffler =100$, and on and on and on,$$$. more info at www.boatingsafety.gc.ca these restrictions DO NOT APPLY in the northwest territories or nunavut??? (the other two territories in canada) huh? so sad to say guys,, this proof of competency thing is comin your way, sorry.
 

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I've got to say I hope we do get licenses some day. Hopefully it will take some of the idiots off of the water.
Yea, of course.

The streets and freeways I drive on everyday, thanks to licensing and patrol, have no idiots driving on them.

No more rules... There are enough already.
Exactly.


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