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President Trump withdrew from the Paris Climate Treaty that Hussein illegally manipulated through the United Nations. Trump is living up to his campaign promises as well as can be expected. We the people did not know the details of this treaty. China and India where signatories, but had until 2030 to comply and contribute to the deal. So the USA was expected to finance most of the actions the United Nations ratified. Some fucking deal! The traitor, Hussein was trying to destroy the USA capitalistic economy.
 

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People don't realize that the Paris Climate accord is just a redistribution of wealth. The US is required to pay billions into a global fund that you know others won't, just like NATO. And just like all the other UN funds that the US pours billions into, it rarely goes into the right pockets.
And if you think China will follow it, I have a bridge to sell you. They are the worst offender. China loves the climate deal because it'll move even more manufacturing to China.
 

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China has been playing us for fools, laughing all the way to the bank. We should never, ever trust them. North Korea is their puppet nation that does their bidding. Trump is aware of Chinas interests, hopefully he will never trust the Commies.
 

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It amazes me sometimes how small thinking some people seem to be.

Even Rex Tillerson, the former head of EXXon/Mobil thinks we should honor the Paris agreement.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/...ecretary-of-state-backs-paris-climate-accord/
“It’s important that the US maintain its seat at the table,” Tillerson told the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations during his confirmation hearing on January 11. The threat of global warming is real and “requires a global response”, he added. “No one country is going to solve this on its own.”

Climate change and pollution in the world will not get better without participation of the nations of the world.
The US is now part of two other countries that didn't sign the Paris agreement. Syria and the other was a country who didn't sign it because they said it didn't go far enough. That says a lot about the stupidity of the US pulling out and it makes the US being less reliable as a nation of people who care about the environment or honoring its agreements.

We might as well just put Putin in the White House and not have a President.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trumps-c...r-chinese-leadership-211438588--politics.html

China may be poised to fill the breach. The world's largest emitter of man-made carbon dioxide, considered a top cause of climate change, is already making rapid progress toward its Paris goal of stopping emissions growth by 2030. It has overtaken the U.S. in transitioning to renewable energy, generating a fifth of its electricity from renewable sources. The U.S. only sources about 13 percent of its electricity from renewables.
And although China remains heavily reliant on coal and pollution is a persistent problem for its 1.3 billion citizens, the country's communist rulers say they're determined to institute fundamental change. That commitment has much of the world now looking to Beijing, which wants to assert itself on the global stage.
"They were doing this before Trump was elected," said Carolyn Bartholomew, the U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission chairwoman. Criticizing Trump in a personal capacity, and not on behalf of the bipartisan panel that advises Congress, she added: "He's just making it easier for them by pulling the U.S. back from the position of global responsibility."
 

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China has been playing us for fools, laughing all the way to the bank. We should never, ever trust them. North Korea is their puppet nation that does their bidding. Trump is aware of Chinas interests, hopefully he will never trust the Commies.

He has more ties with Russia than any other country and appears to be trying to please them more than any other country or the rest of the world it appears.
 

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And the oil oligarchies get to take over even more......And screw everyone who lives on this planet...at least they are going to get more profits...

Here is what is sad; You guys believe that millions of people all over the world are in some kind of plot to somehow hurt this WHOLE country (Not just the oil oligarchies) vs the reality which is that the oil oligarchies have been funding the climate change denial scam for the past 2 decades...Your grandchildren will KNOW that you all were total fools who bought into this whole scam and basically shit on the only planet we have..."Don't take care of where you live because you can move.......................nowhere........"
 

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He has more ties with Russia than any other country and appears to be trying to please them more than any other country or the rest of the world it appears.
Dude- Putin is a GOOOOOD Christian, so we should all trust him! He's gonna be our next "President"......Ask the Christian righties...They love him!
 

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Dude- Putin is a GOOOOOD Christian, so we should all trust him! He's gonna be our next "President"......Ask the Christian righties...They love him!
I'll have to admit, they seem to love everything Putin has Trump doing. But you do have to remember, these are the same type of good ol' folks that voted for Trump, and will support him to the death. I believe they think that's what they think patriotism is.

An interesting observation is how the true, dyed in the wool right wing Conservatives think. One apparently must think as they all think, and never waver in that position, as that would show weakness. Then, If anyone points out something else, then they accuse them of doing what they are doing and put a label such a s liberal, Communist or maybe Socialist on them. That definitely proves they are right. Never mind they don't know what those terms actually mean.
 

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One vision, under "God" with no dissension allowed....The hyper conservative Amerika...When trumper announces that we will now spell it with a "K" and that instead of USA, it will be USSA......And, although he "wants" everyone to "bring the jobs home"....This will not apply to TRUMPs businesses....

And of course, LORD Trump would never allow the spewing of exhaust into the atmosphere to have any ill affects on the Earth...Anyway, How can something you can't see affect you...? There is no such thing as "Air"....
 

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The ignore feature is wonderful, The two of you are entitled to your opinions, I just have no desire to know what they are.

Trump is making great progress in removing all of Hussein's legacy. Once they are all gone, I am hoping that Hussein will be considered inconsequential to human history.
 

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The ignore feature is wonderful, The two of you are entitled to your opinions, I just have no desire to know what they are.

Trump is making great progress in removing all of Hussein's legacy. Once they are all gone, I am hoping that Hussein will be considered inconsequential to human history.

From what you say, you objective is, "Removing all of Hussein's legacy" and don't want to hear facts or other opinions.
I understand, and it's your right.

That's what makes AMERICA GREAT. Everyone is allowed to be uninformed and make decisions based on not knowing or not caring what the truth might be.

Again, it's everyones choice and their right. GOD BLESS AMERICA, or should that be GOD HELP AMERICA?
 

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Well at least it's back to God Bless/Help America........It's been let's help Allah fuck America for the last 8yrs......With that Traitorous Muzzy bastard that just left.......Everything that son of a whore did was hurtful to us and our Country...:yes:
 

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More jobs for China

People don't realize that the Paris Climate accord is just a redistribution of wealth. The US is required to pay billions into a global fund that you know others won't, just like NATO. And just like all the other UN funds that the US pours billions into, it rarely goes into the right pockets.
And if you think China will follow it, I have a bridge to sell you. They are the worst offender. China loves the climate deal because it'll move even more manufacturing to China.
Your "last" sentence says it all. If the USA stayed in the Accord, the energy costs for business/manufacturing here would increase substantially. That alone would move more jobs to where energy costs are lower. It is the same with labor costs. Business moves to locals with the cheapest labor.
The Presidents first responsibility is to look out for the welfare of the country. Trump is doing that, unlike Obama.
 

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Your "last" sentence says it all. If the USA stayed in the Accord, the energy costs for business/manufacturing here would increase substantially. That alone would move more jobs to where energy costs are lower. It is the same with labor costs. Business moves to locals with the cheapest labor.
The Presidents first responsibility is to look out for the welfare of the country. Trump is doing that, unlike Obama.
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But please try to refrain from taunting the misguided Sheeple with true, facts and logic..... as it leaves them defenseless and infuriates them hil:)
 

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Next step; Outlaw any research into any alternative energy sources....Stop solar, stop Nuclear, stop Fusion, stop wind power...You must buy you energy from BIG OIL or nowhere.

We are starting to have heatwaves of 150* and huge blizzards in the center of the country, etc....."Nothing to see here, just move along.....We HATE science....It's anti-god!"


You guys have to be the biggest fools to EVER wander the face of the earth.....You guys need to build giant CO2 plants to prove that man-made global warming doesn't exist....or just grab your guns and go use your grandchildren to hold your shooting targets....
 

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Your "last" sentence says it all. If the USA stayed in the Accord, the energy costs for business/manufacturing here would increase substantially. That alone would move more jobs to where energy costs are lower. It is the same with labor costs. Business moves to locals with the cheapest labor.
The Presidents first responsibility is to look out for the welfare of the country. Trump is doing that, unlike Obama.


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You are misinformed.
The energy cost will not increase substantially. Energy users have already moved to other sources of energy such as natural gas and renewable sources.

The future is in technology which has already created many more jobs than the coal industry. The coal industry is also moving rapidly away from needing workers. They too are using technology and automated equipment.
The bigger problem is that the US is now exporting dirty fuel sources. The coal industry is already exporting much of its production to other countries. Therefore, it doesn't change what the cost of energy are here and the earths air still become contaminated.

Due to the Paris accord, most of the big polluter countries actually are moving away from dirty fuels to help their air quality and are doing it faster than they agreed. The US is one of the slower countries in that regard. Moving the direction Trump is taking us will be moving the US toward the stone age.

If you are aware of the history of steel production, and to some extent the automobile manufacturing industry, the US continued using the same outdated equipment for decades and fell behind the rest of the world in quality and capability. It wasn't due to energy regulation, it was due to not staying up with technology. Do you remember the poor air quality in Los Angles or the dirty air on the North Eastern US? It's far from perfect but it is vastly improved due to improving the pollution requirements of cars and factories.

If you truly think the Paris Accord is just about global warming, it isn't. It's cleaner, healthier air to breath, it's protecting the ozone layer which protects all of us from UV rays, it's to protect the environment we live in.

Have you not seen who thinks it's important we should stay in the Paris Accord? It's nearly all of the major companies, it's nearly all of the citizens, It's nearly the entire world.
Who wants us out? Bannon and trumps Energy asshole along with the coal industry. Even Rex Tillerson and Ivanka Trump thought we should stay in.

Everything isn't about money or jobs, sometimes there must be some balances to protect our homes and where we live. (As in environment)

Trump is proving to be dangerous. In his speech on pulling out of the Paris agreement, he said that he was representing what his supporters in Pittsburgh want and not Paris. Eighty percent (80%) of Pittsburgh voted against him. He's not in touch with reality.
This isn't the first time or even the second time he taken off on a tangent and didn't even make sense to anyone.

If what I'm seeing on the various reports, it looks like it takes at least 4 years to pull out of the Paris Agreement, which by the way is not negotiable.

Apparently GOD does work in mysterious ways and protects the little children, along with idiots.


Being misinformed does not make one an idiot, unless one doesn't pay attention to the facts.
 

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the treaty was a bullshit treaty to begin with... by the time they signed it they had already passed the dont go above this ppm in the treaty... heres how u fix this action plan... stop giving subsidies to oil, NG companies or "CLEAN" coal... take that same money and put it into domestic solar wind and ev manufacturing... give subsidies to tax payers who are energy neutral.. yea the market will get volatile and people are guna lose jobs... but we need to move forward.. this is an opportunity for america to be a manufacturing giant when it comes to green energy.. are effective unemployment is around 10% as of 2016.. not the bullshit 5% that are still looking for a job but only for the last 2 years bullshit statistic.. thats 30,000 plus people who are not putting food on the table and not paying taxes.. we gave a fuck about 3k in 911 but the 30k thats still alive today fuck them? wth is with this logic.. we are ALL americans.. even the homeless guy who is crazy af and gets arrested so he has a place to rest his head

people wana make america great again... we do it by building shit.. shit nobody in the world can match.. we need to pride ourselves in the work.. Politics is Politics and we need to put it aside as Americans for the betterment of our country... a mass skilled labor requirement that has good paying jobs would improve the economy 10 fold over giving more subsidies to oil and gas.. we build the tax base and THEN we can lower taxes.. it might make the currency less valuable to other nations but thats the cost of fixing the out of control inflation the fed has put us in and the debt that dumbass wars got us in... and it would force people to buy domestic! we need to pay for our mistakes... the mistake of the american people letting our guard down and letting the govt over decades fuck us harder and harder until they were balls deep and they are still trying to find ways..

we need to cut ourselves away from the petrodollar... that whole situation has been holding us ransom.. our govt is so corrupted that nobody can say how bad it is.. we need to acknowledge their is a problem.. and address the damn thing.. we are all americans.. conservatives and a large majority of Berners get along.. we wont agree on everything but we both know the govt is fucking us.. as much as I wanted trump to burn the govt down he isnt guna do it.. we need to put our petty differences aside and focus on the Problem.. the govt is broken.. we need to take it apart, clean out all the moving parts, check clearances and replace all bad parts.. I dont give a fuck about gay chick fil a or that some dick boss looks at some ass that his secretary left hanging out... I actually want to make america great again... first we need to break from these chains..

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has america always been like this or is this new?
 

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"-we need to cut ourselves away from the petrodollar..." Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! That is funny....Trumpers whole cabinet is ex-oil executives, and EVERYTHING he does is for them and the Oil oligarchies.....Go talk to the people who live in the ruins of Oklahoma- check out how their "Conservative" state leaders outlawed counties and municipalities from stopping fraking.....Freedom......For big oil! Yes yes, I know, big oil has stated that there is no connection between fraking and earthquakes....They use the same commercials that big tobacco used in the 60s.....Smoke is a natural thing...we SHOULD be breathing smoke...it has vitamins and nutrients!

Remember when the GOP was about state rights over federal, and counties over states, and municipalities over counties? NOT ANY MORE!!!
 

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And what was the temperature rise suppose to be by 2100? A rise by .2% or some minuscule figure? That doesn't seem like very much sugar for a dime....

Also I keep hearing how much the US contributes. How do they arrive at this? As a country? By population? By area? If you do it by the latter two, I bet we don't pollute any more than anyone else. This is information from the alt-left. :)sphss


The ignore feature is wonderful, The two of you are entitled to your opinions, I just have no desire to know what they are.

Trump is making great progress in removing all of Hussein's legacy. Once they are all gone, I am hoping that Hussein will be considered inconsequential to human history.
Yes, the ignore feature. Recently added cvx to the list. I haven't seen so much incoherent rambling since Obama was making a speech. :happy:

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Well at least it's back to God Bless/Help America........It's been let's help Allah fuck America for the last 8yrs......With that Traitorous Muzzy bastard that just left.......Everything that son of a whore did was hurtful to us and our Country...:yes:
True!!! And the snowflakes in this country and around the world are crying collectively!!!! :yes:
 

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"-we need to cut ourselves away from the petrodollar..." Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

whats funny?

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like I'm saying the govt is fucked up.. on both sides of the isle.. and here we are bitching to eachother about how we are wrong.. what I'm saying is we should get together and point the finger at the shit govt.. we arnt guna agree but can we have a consensus that its not working for us? it was shit with obama and bush and clinton etc etc.. we really need to stop arguing about small fry and deal with the elephant in the room because this is embarrassing...
 
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