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Just saw this in the local paper.. Not sure if you guys have seen this yet.

U.S. District Court upholds CRIT decision against Water Wheel.

Tuesday, September 29, 2009

PARKER, Ariz. - The U.S. District Court late last week awarded a significant legal victory to the Colorado River Indian Tribes (CRIT) in its case against Robert Johnson and his Water Wheel Resort

Judges Gary LaRance, Jolene Marshall and David Campbell affirmed a ruling by the CRIT Tribal Court to evict Water Wheel and order the company to pay damages to CRIT for non-payment of rent.

The decision validates the Tribal Court's decision, allows the tribes to move forward with the eviction of Water Wheel, Inc., and allows the tribes to collect a multi-million dollar damage award. It also, again, upheld that CRIT has the full legal right to enforce leases and legal agreements on its lands in California.


"This is an important victory for CRIT and a ruling that upholds our tribal sovereignty," said Tribal Chairman Eldred Enas. "It shows that no one who enters into an agreement with CRIT is above the law and protects the integrity of the tribal court system. CRIT is committed to moving forward with this matter and similar lease enforcement issues on its western boundary."

The Court also ruled that the facts of the case did not support CRIT exercising personal jurisdiction over Johnson.

This case followed from a suit in Tribal Court by CRIT against Water Wheel, Inc., and Johnson for eviction and damages for past due and holdover rent. Water Wheel had a 32-year lease for 26 acres of riverfront land along the California side of the Colorado River that expired in July 2007.

Water Wheel and Johnson were supposed to surrender the property peaceably and without resorting to legal process upon expiration. They did not and the tribes filed suit.

The Tribal court found in favor of the tribes and assessed multi-million dollar damages and the Tribal Court of Appeals affirmed the decision.

Thereafter, Water Wheel and Johnson sought relief in U.S. District Court from the Tribal Court judgment, claiming that the Judge (Gary LaRance) had no power to exercise personal jurisdiction over a non-member (non-Indian owned) corporation, or a non-member who acted only as an agent of the corporation.

The U.S. District Court's decision said that "The most compelling facts in support of a consensual relationship between Water Wheel and CRIT are Water Wheel's 32-year lease of tribal land and its three-year hold-over tenancy on that land.

A lease is one of the classic examples of a consensual relationship cited by the Supreme Court... Indeed, it is difficult to think of a more consensual relationship than a non-member's occupancy of tribal land under a formal written agreement with the tribe."

The court also wrote that "In an attempt to overcome the virtually dispositive fact of the lease, Plaintiffs argue that the property does not belong to CRIT, that the lease is not valid, and that the lease is with the United States, not CRIT... Plaintiffs quite inconsistently ...assert that they are not challenging the Indian title or reservation status of the land. A federal court judgment [has determined] that the property is owned by the United States 'in trust for the Colorado River Indian Tribes.'"

Tribal officials said that CRIT is pursuing damages and eviction of other tenants on the western boundary, who have not paid their rents or abided by the terms of their leases.

"The decision will boost CRIT's efforts on this front and CRIT will proceed with its cases against these lessors in the coming weeks and months," officials said.
 

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This should get interesting.
Well what's funny is I just received something from "Colorado River Residents for Justice" which totally contradicts the article so who knows.. I'll see if I can scan it and post it.. But like you said it should get interesting if it's true... I know what I would do if they were trying to evict me from my home!!!
 

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Indian speak with forked tongue.

What the article (and the CRIT News Release) DOESN'T say, is that the US District Court said the suit against "Water Wheel" is allowed to continue, since the lease, as it was originally entered into, is valid. However the OWNER, is dismissed from the suit and the District Court barred CRIT from going after the OWNER, since he assumed the lease and never agreed to CRIT Court jurisdiction.

I don't know all the legal issues, but as I understand it from reading the decision, CRIT would have to go through California Courts to effect the eviction. But in doing so, they would have to waive "Sovereign Immunity" and place themselves under the jurisdiction of the California Courts over this.

And THEN the issue of the Res boundaries could be raised in CA Courts, as that's the basis for him contesting the eviction.

Believe me, this isn't over yet.
 

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Indian speak with forked tongue.

What the article (and the CRIT News Release) DOESN'T say, is that the US District Court said the suit against "Water Wheel" is allowed to continue, since the lease, as it was originally entered into, is valid. However the OWNER, is dismissed from the suit and the District Court barred CRIT from going after the OWNER, since he assumed the lease and never agreed to CRIT Court jurisdiction.

I don't know all the legal issues, but as I understand it from reading the decision, CRIT would have to go through California Courts to effect the eviction. But in doing so, they would have to waive "Sovereign Immunity" and place themselves under the jurisdiction of the California Courts over this.

And THEN the issue of the Res boundaries could be raised in CA Courts, as that's the basis for him contesting the eviction.

Believe me, this isn't over yet.
That's exactly what I'm trying to post but struggling with the upload. See if this works. Apparently this was taken off of the CRIT website. If you guys can't read it let me know. This was from Colorado River Residents For Justice.
 

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Indian speak with forked tongue.

What the article (and the CRIT News Release) DOESN'T say, is that the US District Court said the suit against "Water Wheel" is allowed to continue, since the lease, as it was originally entered into, is valid. However the OWNER, is dismissed from the suit and the District Court barred CRIT from going after the OWNER, since he assumed the lease and never agreed to CRIT Court jurisdiction.

I don't know all the legal issues, but as I understand it from reading the decision, CRIT would have to go through California Courts to effect the eviction. But in doing so, they would have to waive "Sovereign Immunity" and place themselves under the jurisdiction of the California Courts over this.

And THEN the issue of the Res boundaries could be raised in CA Courts, as that's the basis for him contesting the eviction.

Believe me, this isn't over yet.

What the hell does this really mean? CRIT will have to risk all to play it out. Will they? I mean there is allot of river there on the CA side with tenants paying lease monies.

A federal court judgment [has determined] that the property is owned by the United States 'in trust for the Colorado River Indian Tribes.'"
 

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What the hell does this really mean? CRIT will have to risk all to play it out. Will they? I mean there is allot of river there on the CA side with tenants paying lease monies.

A federal court judgment [has determined] that the property is owned by the United States 'in trust for the Colorado River Indian Tribes.'"
This is why you NEVER NEVER NEVER Lease INDIAN LAND!!!!!!!!!!!They are the ORIGINAL DRAMA QUEENS X1000 :(:(:(:(
 

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Indian speak with forked tongue.

What the article (and the CRIT News Release) DOESN'T say, is that the US District Court said the suit against "Water Wheel" is allowed to continue, since the lease, as it was originally entered into, is valid. However the OWNER, is dismissed from the suit and the District Court barred CRIT from going after the OWNER, since he assumed the lease and never agreed to CRIT Court jurisdiction.

I don't know all the legal issues, but as I understand it from reading the decision, CRIT would have to go through California Courts to effect the eviction. But in doing so, they would have to waive "Sovereign Immunity" and place themselves under the jurisdiction of the California Courts over this.

And THEN the issue of the Res boundaries could be raised in CA Courts, as that's the basis for him contesting the eviction.

Believe me, this isn't over yet.
Very interesting. This will go on for a while.
 

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What a mess! the Indians are a pain in the ass, Has anyone here bought gas from them Up at the AVI? they are the most rude (Using this term as loose as two dollar whore!) "Human beings" I have ever had the dis-pleasure to deal with!
A few years ago a "American-Mexican" (Self proclaimed American first!) friend of mine and I were leaving Parker one evening, and we stopped at a road side taco joint, these indians spoke perfect Spanish from mex. served up my buddy Ramon, and left me standing there as they made his food in completion! I waited a few more minutes and they finally took my order in almost anger toward me!...I waited 20 more minutes before they gave me "shit on a shingle" compared to the same shit I ordered as Ramon!
this is why I feel that the Southern Indians need to recognize that we bring revenue to their shitty comunities more than half the year at a time!
Without the "round eye"/"White Devil" such as myself, he would not be able to afford the KMart brand Traxx tennies he is rocking on the side of that road cooking food, im not the one offering food to the passer by's and treating them like shit am I???
Double standards are B.S. I drink from the same drinking fountains as everyone else! get over the hang ups already!
Sorry for my rant guys!
******...out!
P.S. I married a filipina, so I can say this crap!!:D
 

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Screw CRIT and their nation within a nation bullshit.

Big deal, white people took your land over 200 years ago.

Those fat lazy Indians would have lost it regardless.

They hate the white man but rely on the white man's dime.

Whatever happened to living off the land. I bet not even 10% of them can grow food without killing the plant before harvest.
 

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Indian speak with forked tongue.

What the article (and the CRIT News Release) DOESN'T say, is that the US District Court said the suit against "Water Wheel" is allowed to continue, since the lease, as it was originally entered into, is valid. However the OWNER, is dismissed from the suit and the District Court barred CRIT from going after the OWNER, since he assumed the lease and never agreed to CRIT Court jurisdiction.

I don't know all the legal issues, but as I understand it from reading the decision, CRIT would have to go through California Courts to effect the eviction. But in doing so, they would have to waive "Sovereign Immunity" and place themselves under the jurisdiction of the California Courts over this.

And THEN the issue of the Res boundaries could be raised in CA Courts, as that's the basis for him contesting the eviction.

Believe me, this isn't over yet.
Now that's very interesting

How many tenants at Water wheel ?

S CP :D
 

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We almost purchased in there about 5 years ago. We were working with Bob and his wife on bringing a new mobilehome in there. We di*ked around for two years because of this mess and then finally bailed out and bought real property in Mohave Valley. Glad we did and glad I own real property and not paying a lease.
 

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Now that's very interesting

How many tenants at Water wheel ?

S CP :D
A bunch!!! I would have to look it up on my computer but I would go out a limb here and say probably as many as Aha Quinn..

Don't get me started on the whole Indian thing... I was involved with the Mohave Generating Station shutdown and heard plenty of their B.S. and look at where it got them. The highest unemployment rate, and 100 million dollars (between Hopi & Navajo) a year to the tribes on royalties GONE!!!!
 

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We almost purchased in there about 5 years ago. We were working with Bob and his wife on bringing a new mobilehome in there. We di*ked around for two years because of this mess and then finally bailed out and bought real property in Mohave Valley. Glad we did and glad I own real property and not paying a lease.
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"bailed out and bought real property in Mohave Valley. Glad we did and glad I own real property and not paying a lease. "


NO SHAIT!!! We looked up and down the river and I am sooo glad that I refused to accept anything less than property that we could buy. Looked at some real nice places for cheap $, but in the long run you are just renting from a slum lord who can and will kick your ass to the curb!
 

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i've had a place in water wheel for the last 5 years. i think the johnson's are great and applaud the fact that they are not backing down to CRIT. the park is awesome and the indians just want to cash in on bob and brandon's hard work. i guess that is CRITs style - take over a nice established park rather than build one from the ground up.
 

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i've had a place in water wheel for the last 5 years. i think the johnson's are great and applaud the fact that they are not backing down to CRIT. the park is awesome and the indians just want to cash in on bob and brandon's hard work. i guess that is CRITs style - take over a nice established park rather than build one from the ground up.
I hope everything works out for you in the end for you....

one of my buds lost there trailers in a park about 22mile north of blythe a fews ago....they (indians) just came in and cleaned house......:|err
 
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