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Interesting. They are going to train with JHP rounds and keep the ball for???? Oh wait, they have enough ball to train for 1 year and that leaves them an operational combat load of JHP rounds. They must think their agents are lousy shots.

The 7,000 personal defense weapons they ordered in September are not only M4 style assult rifels, they have a 3 position selector: safe, semi, auto. They even ordered 10 30round magazines for each weapon. So they need that much ammo to defend themselves but we don't? It's bad enough we don't even get 3 round burst. But, even the military doesn't use full auto anymore on M4s. It is a waste of ammo and makes target discrimination difficult resulting in potential colateral damage and excessive rounds fired when not required. Why do DHS agents need assult rifles with full auto for personal defense? Of course it would be quite handy if you planned to mow down crowds.

Why can't they call an assault rifle an assault rifle? Why do they have to try to sneak them in under the radar by calling them personal defense weapons. Minimum length is 20 inches, maximum length 30. Sounds like someone plans on doing some close quarter manuvering with these "Personal Defense Weapons". Where is the 5.56 ammor for training in this training request?

My real take away from reading all of this: If I buy a new pistol, make sure it is in 9mm or 40 cal., If I buy a rifle, make sure it can safely chamber 5.56. If everything goes to hell in a hand basket, I want to be sure I can utilize the ammo they bring me. :D
 

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My real take away from reading all of this: If I buy a new pistol, make sure it is in 9mm or 40 cal., If I buy a rifle, make sure it can safely chamber 5.56. If everything goes to hell in a hand basket, I want to be sure I can utilize the ammo they bring me. :D
Meh, just get 1,000 rounds of .408, you'll be fine.
 

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Meh, just get 1,000 rounds of .408, you'll be fine.
My way is more cost effective. I'll just wait for them to bring me ammo. Maybe some of my old friends will find me a hardly used personal defense weapon to use with all that ammo.... But, I doubt things will ever get to that point. If I was honestly concerned about it, I wouldn't have sold all my weapons but the one pistol.
 

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Yeah, things won't get to that point, it's not like the POTUS has a kill list and can kill anyone he wants too without due process.....:duh:
 

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I take it you didn't see the new CA proposed laws that WILL become law based on the super majority?

I will become a felon when they pass it. I have a 10-22 with a detachable mag. This will be a felony and I will be a felon. This is ironic on so many levels based on what I do for a living and what trust the government has given me with other issues.
 

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I'd say your not gonna be alone ICY... Probably be in a club of about a million new "felons" in CA....
 

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I take it you didn't see the new CA proposed laws that WILL become law based on the super majority?

I will become a felon when they pass it. I have a 10-22 with a detachable mag. This will be a felony and I will be a felon. This is ironic on so many levels based on what I do for a living and what trust the government has given me with other issues.
:)bulb If they pass it and you want to send me that illegal dangerous weapon to safe guard, I can get you the address to a guy I used to work with that has an FFL. I'll send you care pictures of it on a regular basis and for just a few cents a day, you can help it maintain a steady diet of lead and brass and rest assured that it will be cared for in a loving foster home. :yes:
 

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:)bulb If they pass it and you want to send me that illegal dangerous weapon to safe guard, I can get you the address to a guy I used to work with that has an FFL. I'll send you care pictures of it on a regular basis and for just a few cents a day, you can help it maintain a steady diet of lead and brass and rest assured that it will be cared for in a loving foster home. :yes:
No you don't get it.

There are too many men my age that don't expect to live as long as their father. Most of our fathers are not even 50.
 

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I take it you didn't see the new CA proposed laws that WILL become law based on the super majority?

I will become a felon when they pass it. I have a 10-22 with a detachable mag. This will be a felony and I will be a felon. This is ironic on so many levels based on what I do for a living and what trust the government has given me with other issues.
You're looking at it wrong. I'll go with what that idiot in the senate said about immigration, My guns aren't illegal, just undocumented. :D
 

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You're looking at it wrong. I'll go with what that idiot in the senate said about immigration, My guns aren't illegal, just undocumented. :D

Exactly, now where can I find a few more of these undocumented, hard working, semi automatic protector's of liberty? Ca is going to unionize the existing one's and make them worthless, just like all the other state union workers!
 

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One of two things or both is happening. Either they are gearing up for a revolt or they're trying to buy up all the ammo. If it's the latter, it'll only last for so long. After a while the manufacturers will be gearing up for higher production.
 

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Here is the .223 shelf at Cabellas in GJ, CO yesterday.

Not one box of any kind in .223.....nothing.

I went to Wal-Mart and 2 different sports stores, the same.
The last boxes you see are .222

 

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dont come here i dont have any 223 rounds.. they are sold out every place i go so i have 0 rounds sad for me .. they have won .. :)Unsure:wink2: but that is what most shelves look like super empty not a round to be had .. grab what you can folks
 

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Here is the .223 shelf at Cabellas in GJ, CO yesterday.

Not one box of any kind in .223.....nothing.

I went to Wal-Mart and 2 different sports stores, the same.
The last boxes you see are .222



I ordered 15 boxes of PMC Xtac 62g green tips from Cabellas yesterday via phone (no online purchase for ammo). It was $9.99 a box which isn't to bad considering the price gouging and lack of supply. I got a confirmation email and shipment arrival date but other who tried to get some not long after me were told sold out.
 
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