Monrovia in the House
maybe ORGANIZED would be a better word... how about ORGANIZED??? Most importantly from the SAFETY perspective...You know I debated about how to handle this for about 2 minutes in my head (just got back from filming boats all day.. Boating websites and all)
At first you say.... "Just take em apart piece by piece, it's easy enough to do especially given the circumstances." But then I thought, does it really matter what I say? It's not going to change their opinions or the actual realities of the situation much.. "Haters gonna hate", and they are going to say what they are going to say, and it doesn't matter if it's out in left field, to them it might be right over the plate?
So here's my final response to the subject, because unfortunately I am a little pressed for time.
WMC, I am going to give you a piece of free advice, and I don't want you to take it as an insult because I genuinely mean it.. If you spent less time worrying about me, and doing shady shit like that link.. and more time being yourselves, your website would be considerably farther along then it is currently. Go EARN IT, and stop trying to steal it, and people will respect it more. RDP isn't my 1st website, nor will it probably be my last.. I built ground up several before it, and helped to build THIS ONE from the ground up as well, even though Chris and I had our differences of opinions later in life.
Ross Wallach, you have hurled every insult your limited vocabulary has in it over the last couple of days. I could spend hours and even days debating this with you, but that's exactly what you want. The more time you take of mine, the less time I have to dedicate to making this years race a success. You will do anything, and say anything to try to sabotage it, or make it a failure, so that you can come back next year and say "I told you so... You guys need to give me the contract" I said it before, the amount of sabotage is startling, but we will continue to wade through it, and ultimately put on something successful. So to you I say this..
How is it possible, that someone who knows nothing about boat racing, could put on a successful event with actual payouts, and actually know who wins? VS someone who does it for a living year in and year out? There in lies your worry, because if that happens, the house of cards falls in a big hurry. If you weren't concerned about it then you wouldn't be spending as much time as you are trying to hurt it. I have no interest in taking over your other races.. But even on this short of time frame (which it is VERY SHORT) I can guarantee, we will know who won, and people will get paid for placing.
You asked me before how many events have I "promoted" and stated zero.. You are incorrect, I have done a ton of events, and they have all been successful. I don't need to try and qualify myself, but I will respond to your question "How many events have I promoted?" The short answer would be all of yours.. Even now while you call me every name in the book, there is more photos, videos, chatter about the Long Beach races on my site then all the other forums... COMBINED.. Think about that. We had 2 professional photographers, on site coverage from members, videos, enthusiast photographers etc and they are all posting because they are ALL excited about boat racing.
I would return the question to how many events have you actually "PROMOTED?" Actually advertised? Radio / Magazines / Websites? I will go with zero.. Guys like me have always done you "favors" in the past only to find out you are a borderline criminal.. Well Criminal would be harsh because I guess what you are doing isn't technically illegal.. Carny at best though (and no I won't bother with the popcorn sales references.. I don't need them) I'm sorry that one of my members posted the results to your race on a website where people were actually interested and talking about it. I'm even more sorry that because of the actions of a few people that one word got replaced automatically and immediately corrected, that you think I'm Cancer or the 100 other things you said.. You have no bearing on my life, you have no bearing at this point on the Enduro.. Even if I failed miserably, your actions since before, and especially after I stepped up will have prevented you from ever doing it again.
I'd ask how the payouts where at Long Beach... But I already know, and don't need to continue that conversation either.
Enjoy your time Gentlemen, because you certainly aren't wasting anymore of mine. Updates will be posted on RDP and Here as well as other forums, because we don't need to post a link.
Alright KIDS, both of you...ENOUGH.... Each of you please ask yourself:dbrjoe555;2459745 [B said:In closing, try to get along all this is just hurting the sport we all enjoy, thanks, Joe[/B]
Joe I will answer that because it's legit.. Had their been "proper" safety at the event your rescue would not have been dealt with by Tony, but rather the PAID professionals. Course should also have been black flagged the instant it happened with proper communications..i no longer have a dog in the fight, but i do see things more clearly after my own race experiences. i thought ross did a good job, he listened, did not always see things my way but thats life. i know dave can sale the event but there are an endless number of details? no true racer cares about pay outs, they would all race for free and the ones that say otherwise will never win anyhow. back to safety, the six mile course was difficult to police, vollunteers are hard to come by. when i had my incident in 2011 i nearly drowned, if tony scarletta would not have jumped in to save me i would have drown, the official rescue crew arrived a few crucial minutes later. i blame no one but myself but i do fear for the safety of future racers knowing that the course may now be double in size? there are no guarantees on how well you land or float when you hit the water at high speeds. there is one guarantee, if your face is some how in the water and your unconcious or worse yet awake but paralized like i was, you can not take a breath, and i promise you will want/need air badly. jump in the pool go to the bottom and count to 200, see how excited you get. in closing, try to get along all this is just hurting the sport we all enjoy, thanks, joe
Ray, ITS TOO LATE! This race THIS YEAR is too far gone to save. Ross knows it. We all know it except Dave. Nobody can save this race this year. As much as I hate to say it myself, ITS TOAST! It will be what it is, and not Dave or Ross can make it any better than it is. The number of people that have resigned themselves to just letting this one pass is astounding. Nobody has anybody to thank for that more than Dave. IF he had listened from the beginning and realized he did not just steal this race from Ross, but locked out the racers themselves, it MIGHT have been differentAlright KIDS, both of you...ENOUGH.... Each of you please ask yourself:
IS WHAT I'M ABOUT TO POST ON THIS BULLSHIT THREAD GOOD, OR BAD FOR THE SPORT????
WILL ANYTHING I SAY HERE MAKE ONE IOTA OF DIFFERENCE?????
ENOUGH, unless you BOTH want to get grounded for the rest of the summer.....
BOTH OF YOU, YEAH BOTH.... GROW TF UP..... Take it away, Take it to one of obama's beer summits.. Meet somewhere private and beat each other senseless. Meet somewhere and sort it out like adults...
The way I see it, NO ONE is ever going to win this "keyboard" battle...
NO ONE is making ANY points towards ANY race having an increased BOAT COUNT!!!!
Dave, call Ross and ask him what he expected to "clear" for his efforts on the ENDURO, and OFFER to pay him at least a part of that to HELP you and Scott make the 2013 ENDURO the best one yet......(AND YES, there has to be "margin" of profit, or the idea of someone else claiming the race wouldn't be so difficult to accept...)
Ross, bite the bullet and throw all this effort into a positive direction for the sport....
Pm'ing you an explanation of safety and offering to address any questions or concerns is"spewing" something? Wow..SINCE I have to plan my trips well in advance (work wise and airline wise) I took the infamous one off his long time IGNORE so I could see what was being spewed from his side... AND hopefully be able to make a plan for the Parker event...
I quickly received this PM which didn't address my question about his motives/motivation... I figure this is of interest to someone... :
Hiring Terry Toby of San Diego.. Considered the best in the business.. Bringing a crew of 18 with him. (not including all the other safety/patrol boats etc..) 4 Dive Boats, 2 Police Boats, Plus all the normal safety boats etc.. We have more safety and are paying more for safety then ever before.
Safety is primary concern # 1.. Especially with the restored course length of 6 miles (12 mile loop). If you would like to hear all about it, give me a call 949-678-8369. I'd be happy to go over any concerns with you.
Keep up please... You have been on ignore forever, Past, Present (until 48 hours ago) and now future...Pm'ing you an explanation of safety and offering to address any questions or concerns is"spewing" something? Wow..
Maybe I missed something here.. But you asked a safety question. Or rather made a comment that I would not put safety 1st. I sent you a safety explanation via a PM. You then said I was spewing things from my side and posted the PM, as if something I had pm'd you was negative or something?Keep up please... You have been on ignore forever, Past, Present (until 48 hours ago) and now future...
SINCE I have to plan my trips well in advance (work wise and airline wise) I took the infamous one off his long time IGNORE so I could see what was being spewed from his side... AND hopefully be able to make a plan for the Parker event...
You can twist some peoples words and get away with it but you will loose that battle if you try to pull it with me...
Toodles... Have a nice "event"...
I am not running it. Scott Schatz is. . Appreciate the well wishes.. Saw your boat on mcculloch day before yesterday maybe?I've raced with Ross and his team since day one of being a driver.I have raced 2 Enduro's and had a great time, because all politics, bullshit, and money aside, that's really what it's all about, I could not ask for a better group of people to race with, from the registration team to the safty crew. The SCSC safty team performed great in Long Beach and where right there when I went over and did no damage at all to our boat when recovering it. I would not feel safe in the seat unless Ross and his team where running the event. If you think you can run this race RD, then good luck you have some big shoe's to fill. I however will not be a part of it :no: