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So I keep reading about the Christian "Right" has deep respect for Vladimir Putin- even denying that he has had numerous people assasinated around the world, even that he SHOULD have rigged the russian election system to gain total power.....Some of my conservative friends even telling me that "The world would be a far better place if America was subjugated by Russia.....

Here is a little article in "Christianity Today"......


Evangelicals in Russia have become ardent fans of President Vladimir Putin because of Russia’s efforts to maintain its influence in Ukraine, its takeover of Crimea in 2014, and the widespread Russian belief that the West is to blame for the present economic woes on the home front.
This realization dawned on me during my November visit to Russia. The evidence is hard to ignore. Meeting in St. Petersburg back in May, the official Congress of the Union of Evangelical Christians-Baptists ended their meetings with a strong endorsement of Putin just two months after brutal conflict broke out in eastern Ukraine.
Addressing Putin, they said, “We express to you sincere appreciation for your labor in the post of president. . . . We reaffirm our principled loyalty with respect to state authority, based on the unchanged words of the Bible, ‘Let every soul be in subjection to the higher powers: for there is no power but of God; and the powers that be are ordained of God’ (Rom. 13:1, ASV).” The evangelical congress also directly challenged the legitimacy of Ukraine’s Maidan Revolution and the February 2014 overthrow of pro-Russian President Viktor Yanukovich.
Originally, I suspected backroom state pressure must have been at play. But after conversations with more than a dozen Protestant and Orthodox believers in Moscow, I have to admit that no outside interference was necessary to generate such high praise for Russia’s president.
Putin is genuinely popular—and admired—by Russians across the spectrum: among believers as well as the religiously indifferent, among Protestants as well as Orthodox, and among academics as well as taxi drivers.

I could not access the rest of the article......But for anyone who is a new "Conservative" it has become completely clear that one requirement is to believe that Putin is a great guy who should control the world........How many of you would gladly hand over U.S. State secrets to help russia and (Hero) Putin?

Remember...He is a "Great Christian" so we can trust him completely.........:)devil:)devil:)devil:)devil:)devil................:)sphss
 

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official Congress of the Union of Evangelical Christians-Baptists is a group in Russia.

Are you actually spreading complete BS based on your own stupidity? You are a moron.
 

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official Congress of the Union of Evangelical Christians-Baptists is a group in Russia.

Are you actually spreading complete BS based on your own stupidity? You are a moron.
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You don't like what CVXJET posts, so he's a moron?
For God sake, you didn't even counter anything he said or provide your alternative facts.

And, you are such a fine example of being a fair open minded intellectual individual, I assume?
Just not from what I've experienced with your open bias and support of certain liars and rule breakers.

CVXJET provided his source, where is yours?
 

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So....You figured out that the UECB is in Russia......You be smart! But Christianity Today is the main Publication of Evangelical Christianity>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So why is there a positive article about a section of Russian Population that has been brain-washed by Putin's propaganda machine in an american publication?

I thought some of you were not even supposedly religious...But you are all on board with allowing the ex-KGB operative to meddle in our election (In the name of "Christianity")........as long as """"YOU"""" .........."""win""".........Are you in fact already learning how to speak russian?
 

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CVXJET, I can't help but laugh when I see you ask those guys about learning to speak Russian.
They have shown an inability to understand, read or write American English, so their ability to learn Russian is highly doubtful.

Good judgement and having a value system seems to have eluded most also, but they'll stand proud proclaiming their Christian values and ignore rules as if they don't matter.
 

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A simple comparison will show how they are either dumber than stumps....or complete hypocrites.....

They had no problem with spending $41 MILLION tax payer money to basically buy a dirty dress....Screaming about how Billy-boy was a total sleeze because he was playing with a young lady that worked with him. (I don't like him but can't blame him when he had (Shudder) Hillary at home.....

The flipper side; Chumpy brags about grabbing women, playing with porn stars, cheating on his wife, and these guys think he is a freaking SAINT! They will all run to build a monument to him as "The greatest President EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!

They will still be singing hosannas to him when Putin rides into DC on a russian tank and takes command of the (By THEN poor) US of A.........
 

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A simple comparison will show how they are either dumber than stumps....or complete hypocrites.....

They had no problem with spending $41 MILLION tax payer money to basically buy a dirty dress....Screaming about how Billy-boy was a total sleeze because he was playing with a young lady that worked with him. (I don't like him but can't blame him when he had (Shudder) Hillary at home.....

The flipper side; Chumpy brags about grabbing women, playing with porn stars, cheating on his wife, and these guys think he is a freaking SAINT! They will all run to build a monument to him as "The greatest President EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!

They will still be singing hosannas to him when Putin rides into DC on a russian tank and takes command of the (By THEN poor) US of A.........

Another difference seems to be that Bill didn't go around bragging about it like it was Ok, and I believe Bill knew it was inappropriate.

I still don't understand how the Right, particularly the Christian Right still stands behind Trump. He violates every norm of what I thought they preached.
The Republican Party as a whole no longer seems to care about what's right, wrong, truth or values.
When I considered myself more Republican years ago, I think they were different, much different.
 

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The new "Conservatives" believe in Deficit spending, isolating the US from ALL of it's Allies, Trade wars so that US companies all fail, Government controlled by the Church.....And of course, anything Putin wants....Putin Gets!

Lets list a number of past conservatives that these newbies would spit on; George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, General Eisenhower, Richard Nixon.......The list is long but the basic tennant is.......Anything that would actually help this country to be stable and powerful is now "Stupid, Liberal crap" as far as the new "Right" is concerned.

They will still be denying that Putin played them.......When they have to say it in Russian!


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Radical Islam promotes hatred for Christians and Putin as well! :)hand
Luckily, there are people like you who teach the Muslims the wondrous goodness of christianity.....using guns....As in New Zealand...(Similar to how we taught all of those savage ****** about the goodness of Christianity by slaughtering them).

I seem to remember you guys stating "Islam= Murderers".....Nice to see christians stepping up to be equal with the "Murderous Muslims"......Don't mention that 99% of Islam around the world has never done anything approaching terrorism.........

Remember, one bad guy makes the whole religion bad...and it should be stamped out...through genocide.....
 

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You do know that most of the hatred by Muslims against the US and western world was started by the CIA overthrowing the ELECTED leader of Iran and re-installing the Shah so the Oil industry could continue to get almost free oil? Similar to the "Good" Christians telling the ******, "This is your land forever- We promise" and then a year later pushing them out......Or how about the fact that "Good Christians" Scalped more ****** than vice versa..?

You do know that Indonesia is Muslim...."Right"? That they have NEVER done anything against us? But I'm sure you go to your shootin' range and put holes in Little muslim children silhouettes because you are a "Good Christian".....

God said "Violence is wrong"....It is in the Bible, the Torah.....and it is in the Koran! But there are always false prophets, telling their followers "God said we can kill them!!!!!!!!!!!!" and people like you will jump to murder.

Think about it....You and the Muslim terrorists are just two sides of the same coin.......Dumb, misled..........child killers! If God reached down and eliminated all the people who >>>WRONGLY<<< kill in his name....He would kill a lot more "Christians" than any other religion....

I say Kill the TERRORISTS and the false prophets.......On BOTH sides!
 

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Dang I never realized their hatred of us had started in my lifetime. :rolleyes:

And all Americans are Christians. Christians responsible for the American Indian issue.

LOL you idiot. I guess Christians are responsible for everything negative. Your bias is blatant.


You do know that most of the hatred by Muslims against the US and western world was started by the CIA overthrowing the ELECTED leader of Iran and re-installing the Shah so the Oil industry could continue to get almost free oil? Similar to the "Good" Christians telling the ******, "This is your land forever- We promise" and then a year later pushing them out......Or how about the fact that "Good Christians" Scalped more ****** than vice versa..?

You do know that Indonesia is Muslim...."Right"? That they have NEVER done anything against us? But I'm sure you go to your shootin' range and put holes in Little muslim children silhouettes because you are a "Good Christian".....

God said "Violence is wrong"....It is in the Bible, the Torah.....and it is in the Koran! But there are always false prophets, telling their followers "God said we can kill them!!!!!!!!!!!!" and people like you will jump to murder.

Think about it....You and the Muslim terrorists are just two sides of the same coin.......Dumb, misled..........child killers! If God reached down and eliminated all the people who >>>WRONGLY<<< kill in his name....He would kill a lot more "Christians" than any other religion....

I say Kill the TERRORISTS and the false prophets.......On BOTH sides!
 

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Dang I never realized their hatred of us had started in my lifetime. :rolleyes:

And all Americans are Christians. Christians responsible for the American Indian issue.

LOL you idiot. I guess Christians are responsible for everything negative. Your bias is blatant.
No...YOUR bias is BLATANT!!!

More people have been killed in the name of "God" than for any other reason. You constantly scream about how "Big govt" leads to abuse of power (WE won't get into the fact that you don't mind YOUR crooks abusing it!) but abuse of power can (And DOES) happen anywhere there is power; Big Govt certainly.....But big corporations also....and, of course, there is nothing bigger than "God".....and any religion is subject to abuse of power; Islam, Judaism, Catholicism, buddhism, etc....And, at the moment, very obviously, Christianity.


All some guy has to do is walk up in front of you and say, "YOUR God is the right God- but you KNEW that! Now, he wants you to go forward and rape and pillage those unbelievers! It is just and right to do this! Go forth and kill in his name!!!!" (And away you go, singing hosannas, and doing unspeakable acts....."Knowing" that "God" is on your side.......)

How is it that Israel, which is basically made up of Jewish people whose grandparents survived the Holocaust, now force the Palestinians to be second-class citizens, and kill ten where someone has killed one Israeli? That sounds just like the beginning of Germany- NAZI germany! And yet we are backing them- now 100% on the things that stir up the palestinians and other arab nations.....Why is Trump trying to create more problems (For US) Gee, having to spend trillions more on wars in the middle east would help to bury the US.....That wouldn't make your favorite "Christian" happy, would it? Ask yourself, why is Putin laughing and happy with everything Trumpy is doing.....But maybe you want Putin-the-great-christian to control the world- and want the US crushed? Are you, in fact, a patriot...? (Of Russia?)
 

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Dang I never realized their hatred of us had started in my lifetime. :rolleyes:

And all Americans are Christians. Christians responsible for the American Indian issue.

LOL you idiot. I guess Christians are responsible for everything negative. Your bias is blatant.

Your ignorance is blatant for sure.

When you say, "Their" shall we assume you mean the Muslims, Isis or what?
Yes, certain elements of the Mid-East did radicalize much more against the US in the 50's and 60's.
That's during your lifetime, isn't it?
If you knew history you would know why too. But, you don't on both counts.

Perhaps the radical Muslims wouldn't be as radical if the radical Christians didn't push their agenda so much in the Muslim regions.
You don't like them in your territory, and maybe they don't want your brand of Religion pushed on them in theirs.
As CVXJET said, a lot of people have lost their lives in the name of Religion.

I don't think CVXJET said Christians are responsible for everything negative, however so called or self proclaimed Christians are certainly guilty of more than their share of having a negative agenda.
Your attempt to negate that fact sort of makes you the idiot.
 

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No...YOUR bias is BLATANT!!!

More people have been killed in the name of "God" than for any other reason. You constantly scream about how "Big govt" leads to abuse of power (WE won't get into the fact that you don't mind YOUR crooks abusing it!) but abuse of power can (And DOES) happen anywhere there is power; Big Govt certainly.....But big corporations also....and, of course, there is nothing bigger than "God".....and any religion is subject to abuse of power; Islam, Judaism, Catholicism, buddhism, etc....And, at the moment, very obviously, Christianity.


All some guy has to do is walk up in front of you and say, "YOUR God is the right God- but you KNEW that! Now, he wants you to go forward and rape and pillage those unbelievers! It is just and right to do this! Go forth and kill in his name!!!!" (And away you go, singing hosannas, and doing unspeakable acts....."Knowing" that "God" is on your side.......)

How is it that Israel, which is basically made up of Jewish people whose grandparents survived the Holocaust, now force the Palestinians to be second-class citizens, and kill ten where someone has killed one Israeli? That sounds just like the beginning of Germany- NAZI germany! And yet we are backing them- now 100% on the things that stir up the palestinians and other arab nations.....Why is Trump trying to create more problems (For US) Gee, having to spend trillions more on wars in the middle east would help to bury the US.....That wouldn't make your favorite "Christian" happy, would it? Ask yourself, why is Putin laughing and happy with everything Trumpy is doing.....But maybe you want Putin-the-great-christian to control the world- and want the US crushed? Are you, in fact, a patriot...? (Of Russia?)

Your ignorance is blatant for sure.

When you say, "Their" shall we assume you mean the Muslims, Isis or what?
Yes, certain elements of the Mid-East did radicalize much more against the US in the 50's and 60's.
That's during your lifetime, isn't it?
If you knew history you would know why too. But, you don't on both counts.

Perhaps the radical Muslims wouldn't be as radical if the radical Christians didn't push their agenda so much in the Muslim regions.
You don't like them in your territory, and maybe they don't want your brand of Religion pushed on them in theirs.
As CVXJET said, a lot of people have lost their lives in the name of Religion.

I don't think CVXJET said Christians are responsible for everything negative, however so called or self proclaimed Christians are certainly guilty of more than their share of having a negative agenda.
Your attempt to negate that fact sort of makes you the idiot.

You guys are all the same. You talk that shit right up until you feel the blade.
 

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You guys are all the same. You talk that shit right up until you feel the blade.

Perhaps you'd care to share what you're basing your opinion on why it isn't accurate.
Why should someone change the story when it's correct?
I understand you make up shit to suit your needs or wants whether its true or not, but that's you.
Accuracy seems to not be part of your thought process.:)plateJump
 

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Perhaps you'd care to share what you're basing your opinion on why it isn't accurate.
Why should someone change the story when it's correct?
I understand you make up shit to suit your needs or wants whether its true or not, but that's you.
Accuracy seems to not be part of your thought process.:)plateJump
You must be joking.
Your entire rant is inaccurate. You obviously have not a single clue about the actual causes of wars throughout history, specifically where religion lands as a primary cause.
By extension, it’s even more glaring that you have not a single clue about the crusades, Israel, the rantings of Mohamed, or basically anything else as it pertains to the vomit you spew.
Shouldn’t it be about time for you to buy a bullet and rent a gun?
You and your masters are done.
 

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You must be joking.
Your entire rant is inaccurate. You obviously have not a single clue about the actual causes of wars throughout history, specifically where religion lands as a primary cause.
By extension, it’s even more glaring that you have not a single clue about the crusades, Israel, the rantings of Mohamed, or basically anything else as it pertains to the vomit you spew.
Shouldn’t it be about time for you to buy a bullet and rent a gun?
You and your masters are done.

You've jumped in the middle of a topic with no intention of contributing, and haven't read what's been posted. If you had you wouldn't post such stupid shit. Your information isn't related to this topic. So typical for you.
:)Rant:)Rant:)Rant
Are you just looking for attention? SAD!
You're nothing but a useless internet troll.
Between this political forum and River Daves Political Forum you've posted an ungodly number of rants and dumb shit. You must live on the keyboard. Probably no one wants to talk to you in person, I wouldn't.
Anyone that cares should look at the post count both on this Forum and River Daves Political Forum. If you look at even a few posts you'll notice he doesn't post anyplace else, just Political and then contributes nothing, he just rants.
 
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