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As the fiscal Cliff approaches, we see Obama and the Dems boost, "we can not believe the Rep would hold the middle class hostage just to protect the top 2%". When in reality, the Dems are not willing to offer or even discuss the "cuts" necessary to help bring the nation's "out of control" deficit to a foreseeable manageable degree.

Reps are willing to work and negotiate in regards to these tax increases, but with the balanced approach of entitlement cuts which exceed the tax increases must be on the table as well.

I personally believe Obama has offered his recent ridiculous demands knowing the Reps will not agree too it, and simply because he wants the nation to go over the cliff sending us into a deeper economic demise. Why?....he or his administration want to continue on the "pathway to Greece" and they haven't a clue as how to put this nation on a true recovery track, and maintain the "giveaways" the Dem Party holds so dear. They WILL NEVER give up their precious entitlement programs.

So, based on the ignorance of the electorates and results of the past election I believe the Republicans must look at the big picture on the horizon and give careful consideration as to how they handle the fiscal cliff.

I see two possible options:

Option 1 - Hold Strong and Fall off the Cliff?

If the Reps hold strong their position and we "fall off the cliff", the economy will definitely tank again and we will face a continued down turn in the economy. In 2014 elections, the Dems will rally on the fact that the Reps held the Nation's middle class hostage and allowed us to go over the cliff to protect the top 2% and the Reps MUST GO. As demonstrated by the past election, the electorate majority will swallow this crap hook, line and sinker.....therefore in 2014, the Dems will have a Super Majority! Sound familiar Cali?.....GAME OVER!

Option 2 - Fold and allow the Dems to hang themselves?


If the Reps wink and fold and give the Dems what they ask (with the exception of allowing unlimited debt ceilings), their purposed package includes the same wasteful spending, more bail outs, more stimulus packages and increased deficits, thus a proven and continued down turn in the economy.
In 2014, who can the Dems blame if the Reps gave them everything they wanted? Hopefully by this time the electorate will "see the light" and will be very frustrated with the reverse or no progress in stimulating the economy, and frustrated with their party as they will be draped with continued failure. Granted, the majority of the Dems will not see the light as their heads will always remain up their asses, but hopefully the Rep's will rally and the independents will see it the Conservative way and possibly disarm Obama by giving the Reps both House and Senate.
 

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This is all a joke in til the system collapses anyways. 10 years to zero deficit plans. Even if the miracle of a balanced budget with today's governmentalism happened, we'd be at 25-30 trillion debt by then I bet.
 

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This is all a joke in til the system collapses anyways. 10 years to zero deficit plans. Even if the miracle of a balanced budget with today's governmentalism happened, we'd be at 25-30 trillion debt by then I bet.
Sad part is....may be true...but hopeless is not an option for me
 

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"Fiscal cliff' is just a game zero invented. The object of the game is to make the opponents look like the bad guys. The way the game begins is with zero pretending he is willing to negotiate some kind of compromise but he leaves out the part about anything that might limit his spending, include the words 'balanced budget' or concessions that might allow the economy grow any faster than the current rate are non-negotiable. The other player in this game fifinancial chicken seems to be John Boehner he will do every thing he can to avoid going over the cliff....But he did repeat 3 times, "I/we are going to deal with Americas debt problem now....we are not going to kick that can again." Sounded plenty serious to me...

Sounds like Bohner is thinking that some jumping over an artificial cliff will cause less damage than zero could do in the next 4 years...I say call zero's bluff....Might as well find out where the bottom is now and get it over with rather than spend the next 4 years digging the hole and listening to his lies.....it is, after all, an artificial cliff....it wouldn't take much for zero to say...."opps, never mind". He is just running game on everybody...testing his power to see just how much he can get away with.....He needs to be put in check....If it doesn't happen soon he will do just as he pleases...4 more years of 2.5% growth,an increase in taxes matched by increase in unemployment will fundamentally fuck our way of life
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there is no "fiscal cliff" the US has been in the same situation before....lets scare everyone by reporting it now....just go to work and love your family...everything is keep rolling
 

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Senator: 'Increasingly Clear [Obama's] Comfortable Going Off the Cliff' | The Weekly Standard


Let the country fall off the cliff on O's watch. A second recession on his watch also. Let people stop receiving their free government cheese and lets see what happens. My F'in taxes will go up big but I don't care. I want to see what happens to this lame duck POS on his watch again and how the media spins it back to blame the Reps. I want to see the 47% lose their free government phone and cheese and see how they like him after that.
 

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... I want to see what happens to this lame duck POS on his watch again and how the media spins it back to blame the Reps....
No real mystery here, it will read something like this.....: The greedy Republicans held the middle class hostage to protect the wealth of the top 2%. If the Republicans would have worked with the Democrats on Presidents Obama's "balanced approach", the physical cliff would have been avoided and the county would be "on the path to recovery and prosperity for ALL".

The liberal media will paint this with a "wide brush" and chances are good the Democrats could gain control of both the House and Senate in 2014.
 

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You do know that the fiscal cliff is pivotal in the Clower/Piven plan. If Obama is in charge when the economy take a shit, guess who gets to rebuild the US in his own ideology, throwing out the Constitution. That's why he doesn't want a deal. As a backup plan, that's why he wants full control of the debt limit.

It's a chess game that Obama's winning right now because of the idea of standing one ground. Sometimes it's best to retreat and regroup. Custer stood his ground and look what happened.
 

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No real mystery here, it will read something like this.....: The greedy Republicans held the middle class hostage to protect the wealth of the top 2%. If the Republicans would have worked with the Democrats on Presidents Obama's "balanced approach", the physical cliff would have been avoided and the county would be "on the path to recovery and prosperity for ALL".

The liberal media will paint this with a "wide brush" and chances are good the Democrats could gain control of both the House and Senate in 2014.

I have no doubt that you are correct and so is the post that came after yours. I guess I am hoping for something that will never happen and that all the dumb asses that voted for him will get their free shit taken away and that will be their wake up call. I know this is a dream that will never happen. This nation is divided and the libby left is multiplying by 10 every year with illegal immigrants and poor people dependent of the government for everything having 10 babies or more to get more free cheese. I have said this before and I will say it again, I imminently fear for the well being and life my young children are going to have in this country for the decades to come after I am gone. I see the window or opportunity closing and the death of the middle class which is the back bone of the country. When this happens there will be no turning back unless some sort of revolution/separation takes place. America will become a total socialist country with a 2 class system 95% of the people dependent on the government for everything.

Look at what obamacare is doing right now. Companies are cutting back full time workers and going with part time to avoid paying all the extra money for this BS nationalized healthcare. Businesses are starting to increase their prices to pay for it as well. Restaurants adding 5% to the bill now to pay for it. All businesses will have to increase their pricing to offset this tax on them and who will bear the brunt of that? The middle class as it slowly dies off.

We are Fu--ed. No way around it. Hug your children because they are going to be the ones who really lose out at lifes experiences and opportunities in the next decades after this.
 

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You do know that the fiscal cliff is pivotal in the Clower/Piven plan. If Obama is in charge when the economy take a shit, guess who gets to rebuild the US in his own ideology, throwing out the Constitution. That's why he doesn't want a deal. As a backup plan, that's why he wants full control of the debt limit.

It's a chess game that Obama's winning right now because of the idea of standing one ground. Sometimes it's best to retreat and regroup. Custer stood his ground and look what happened.


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100% correct you are. Everyone should read both of these links and see that it is unfolding before our very eyes right now.
 

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You do know that the fiscal cliff is pivotal in the Clower/Piven plan.
X26! Some of you act as if this is not all part of the grand scheme the liberals have gotten us into. Blaming a party without a majority will be impossible to validate but easy for the liars to report. We'll hear it's the republican's fault from the news media, from our resident liberal/leftist/democrats (that still have the courage to stick their heads in here after realizing that they are the sheep who brought all this on us) but it will not be the talking points of anyone with a clue. It's all a part of the Kenyan's grand plan.
 

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X26! Some of you act as if this is not all part of the grand scheme the liberals have gotten us into. Blaming a party without a majority will be impossible to validate but easy for the liars to report. We'll hear it's the republican's fault from the news media, from our resident liberal/leftist/democrats (that still have the courage to stick their heads in here after realizing that they are the sheep who brought all this on us) but it will not be the talking points of anyone with a clue. It's all a part of the Kenyan's grand plan.
With this said, we know this is his agenda....do you see any merit in disarming the Libs and Media by playing the game and give them what they asked? (with the exception of an unlimited debt ceiling, and if we play his game, I would bet O would hold out on that point as well, but I do not believe the majority of Dems would agree to hold out on that point)

Results: We know if he gets what he is asking, the country will continue this downward economic spiral regardless. Obama Care alone will tend to that! The media would have no one to blame except the big O for his failed plans and unsuccessful policies...otherwise we are playing right into his hand. And we know what is going to happen if we fall off the cliff....Reps are going to wear it!
I can not help but believe the Big O is setting up as fools! :stir:
 

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With this said, we know this is his agenda....do you see any merit in disarming the Libs and Media by playing the game and give them what they asked? (with the exception of an unlimited debt ceiling, and if we play his game, I would bet O would hold out on that point as well, but I do not believe the majority of Dems would agree to hold out on that point)

Results: We know if he gets what he is asking, the country will continue this downward economic spiral regardless. Obama Care alone will tend to that! The media would have no one to blame except the big O for his failed plans and unsuccessful policies...otherwise we are playing right into his hand. And we know what is going to happen if we fall off the cliff....Reps are going to wear it!
I can not help but believe the Big O is setting up as fools! :stir:

If we give in to his demands, he will promote it as a bipartisan agreement and as things worsen (obviously) the media will not focus solely on O and the stupid libs for causing this. They will say the Reps agreed with it so it is a bipartisan failure. Don't give him an unlimited check book again. He wants 200M for more entitlement extensions. He knows that as long as the free government cheese is flowing that he has that 47% support for sure. Surrender and capitulate is not an option in my opinion. Stick to the primary principles. Some things may have a little leeway for compromise of course but I do not see the libbys compromising on anything ever in the past so I am darn sure they are not going to now. Let the country implode and lets start fresh I suppose.
 

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I take pleasure in knowing that the worse legislation in American History - KenyanKare did not have a single - no, not one, member of the republican party vote to accept it. This fiscal cliff belongs to the democrat party - beginning with the 110th Reid/Pelosi congress. They OWN it. I would like to keep it that way for future reference.

Just as KenanKare is the greatest tax increase on the American people in the history of our nation - OWNED 100% by the democrats
I would like to see the fiscal cliff OWNED by those who drove us off it.
 
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