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Ahhhh, Yes. Another split the vote tactic. That will be Ozero's only chance at winning. He cannot run on his record, nobody is stupid enough to believe he has a record to run on. Even the deadbeats that was "Gonna get Obama money....from his stash" "He gonna pay my gas bill...He gonna pay my mortgage" You think Ozero has secured their votes? Some will only because hes black, not because he did anything for them except blow alot of smoke up those people's asses. So his only ace in the hole is split the vote like Clinton did.
 

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actually, it was perot that split the vote...:)

zombie, if you're gonna campaign for somebody, you should at least add his campaign slogan to your footer.

since i refuse to watch zomblinks, is this gary "big hands" johnson, former defensive tackle for the chargers??? that would be cool...:)
 

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He likes Gary Johnson only because Johnson is for legalizing pot smoking and others recreational drugs.
 

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actually, it was perot that split the vote...:)

zombie, if you're gonna campaign for somebody, you should at least add his campaign slogan to your footer.

since i refuse to watch zomblinks, is this gary "big hands" johnson, former defensive tackle for the chargers??? that would be cool...:)
Yep...It was but how does anyone know he wasn't in the tank for Clinton? Perot knew he couldn't win and he knew that any vote for him was a vote that didn't go to Bush. Clinton won with about 43% of the vote, the lowest in history. Perot knew damn well a lefty was not going to vote for him, only the righties. It stunk then and it stinks just as bad now as I see the same thing happening for 2012.:mad:
 

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Alot can be said about Gary Johnson, but a vote splitter he's not. He truely feels he got the cold shoulder from the GOP. He feels the GOP doesn't represent what the true feelings of the base are. Gary is a very honest man and has alot of integrity. Unfortunately I think he has to much to run on the national level. His stance on marijuana is moot, but that's what's always brought up. If you've ever heard him actually talk about drugs it makes alot of sense. Unfortunately that's not what people hear. There's not a whole lot I don't agree with Gary on, but the one area we are completely polar opposites is his stance on the military and his views on foreign policy. I've known him personally for many years and done business with him on countless occasions. He's one of the handfull of people I'd do any size project with little more than a handshake.
 

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Yep...It was but how does anyone know he wasn't in the tank for Clinton? Perot knew he couldn't win and he knew that any vote for him was a vote that didn't go to Bush. Clinton won with about 43% of the vote, the lowest in history. Perot knew damn well a lefty was not going to vote for him, only the righties. It stunk then and it stinks just as bad now as I see the same thing happening for 2012.:mad:
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Alot can be said about Gary Johnson, but a vote splitter he's not. He truely feels he got the cold shoulder from the GOP. He feels the GOP doesn't represent what the true feelings of the base are. Gary is a very honest man and has alot of integrity. Unfortunately I think he has to much to run on the national level. His stance on marijuana is moot, but that's what's always brought up. If you've ever heard him actually talk about drugs it makes alot of sense. Unfortunately that's not what people hear. There's not a whole lot I don't agree with Gary on, but the one area we are completely polar opposites is his stance on the military and his views on foreign policy. I've known him personally for many years and done business with him on countless occasions. He's one of the handfull of people I'd do any size project with little more than a handshake.
I'm not implying Johnson is out to split the vote but I have my doubts about Paul. He is another that knows he can't win but stays in the race because he can and to make a statement, exactly what that statement is I don't know. My thoughts are that a 3rd party candidate might surface concealed as a hard line conservative and split the Republican vote, This is Ozero's only chance of winning. We are stuck with Romney only because he has the blessing of the DC Beltway Republicans. These are the same people that would rather lose elections than give up their power in DC. They do NOT have the grass root Republican's interest in mind, but just to maintain their hold on power. Win, lose or draw is fine with them as long as they maintain the status quo. A good example is their disdain for the TEA party. They have gone out of their way to degrade, discredit and insult these people almost as much as the Dems. That does not sound like anyone who has conservative values at heart.:no:
 

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I'm not implying Johnson is out to split the vote but I have my doubts about Paul. He is another that knows he can't win but stays in the race because he can and to make a statement, exactly what that statement is I don't know. My thoughts are that a 3rd party candidate might surface concealed as a hard line conservative and split the Republican vote, This is Ozero's only chance of winning. We are stuck with Romney only because he has the blessing of the DC Beltway Republicans. These are the same people that would rather lose elections than give up their power in DC. They do NOT have the grass root Republican's interest in mind, but just to maintain their hold on power. Win, lose or draw is fine with them as long as they maintain the status quo. A good example is their disdain for the TEA party. They have gone out of their way to degrade, discredit and insult these people almost as much as the Dems. That does not sound like anyone who has conservative values at heart.:no:
I didn't take it that way. Anyway we look at it, a candidate like Johnson, or anybody remotely conservative for that matter is a vote splitter. I think you're correct as well on how the GOP establishment has handled the "tea party". Most of the people I associate with and hang out with are conservative leaning. No surprise there. It's amazing for me to see the wind taken out of the sails so to speak with those that were so gung ho just a few short months ago. Only time will tell if Romney can energize the base which he will desperately need. I don't think that will happen. The only saving grace for him may be there's just as much disgust on the other side and they'll stay away from the voting booths as well.
 

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Seems the recent Tea Party political winners you sent to Washington to fix things are now being wined and dined by the Washington lobby establishment who don't really want things fixed! ........Do you grass roots Tea Party folks smell a sellout coming ? Washington is a toxic dump of corruption that few politicans can withstand for very long.

Read this article to see what is going on :


Wall Street Money or Tea Party Energy? | Public Campaign Action Fund
 

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Seems the recent Tea Party political winners you sent to Washington to fix things are now being wined and dined by the Washington lobby establishment who don't really want things fixed! ........Do you grass roots Tea Party folks smell a sellout coming ? Washington is a toxic dump of corruption that few politicans can withstand for very long.

Read this article to see what is going on :


Wall Street Money or Tea Party Energy? | Public Campaign Action Fund
zombie, who the hell are you kidding with your shit. They could elect your sorry ass and you would the very first sell out up there. Your whole F'ing life has been a sell out and still is, and you're coming down on some Tea Party congressmen.
Clean you own asshole before you go sniffing up others.
Your the worst fence jumper on the boards.



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Seems the recent Tea Party political winners you sent to Washington to fix things are now being wined and dined by the Washington lobby establishment who don't really want things fixed! ........Do you grass roots Tea Party folks smell a sellout coming ? Washington is a toxic dump of corruption that few politic ans can withstand for very long.

Read this article to see what is going on :


Wall Street Money or Tea Party Energy? | Public Campaign Action Fund

What is going on there Z? The article, like so many other articles is full of speculation and no substance. They are slanted to the what ever the point the author is trying to make. It gets old reading OP ed from people with an agenda. Try this, find all the corrupt voting all the people on that list did. Show us the correlation between the money they received and the votes they cast and then you'll have my full attention. You know like the votes Charley Rangel sells to protect his slums. Or Pelosi makes so her BIL can make millions from government loans for his green energy business, or the inside trading she is privy to so she and others can get rich from information that would send you or I to prison for having or using. Or the slush fund Obama has called a stimulus package to repay his donors. You know, follow the money and then report back with the corruption. Receiving donations is what drives all politicians.
I will give you that there is some suspicious bed partners, but until you can show that they are selling votes, there's not much to it.
 

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What is going on there Z? The article, like so many other articles is full of speculation and no substance. They are slanted to the what ever the point the author is trying to make. It gets old reading OP ed from people with an agenda. Try this, find all the corrupt voting all the people on that list did. Show us the correlation between the money they received and the votes they cast and then you'll have my full attention. You know like the votes Charley Rangel sells to protect his slums. Or Pelosi makes so her BIL can make millions from government loans for his green energy business, or the inside trading she is privy to so she and others can get rich from information that would send you or I to prison for having or using. Or the slush fund Obama has called a stimulus package to repay his donors. You know, follow the money and then report back with the corruption. Receiving donations is what drives all politicians.
I will give you that there is some suspicious bed partners, but until you can show that they are selling votes, there's not much to it.

If it is not already happening give it time........The money has strings. Those strings will be pulled......Politicians are like addicts to money and power.....the longer the addiction the harder it pulls on them. The lobbists are the pushers who know their clients weaknesses.

Rangle and Pelosi have been addicted for decades. They have no sense of right or wrong left in there bloated or shriveled up bodies. Term Limits are a must if we are ever going to turn this nation around.
 

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What is going on there Z? The article, like so many other articles is full of speculation and no substance. They are slanted to the what ever the point the author is trying to make. It gets old reading OP ed from people with an agenda. Try this, find all the corrupt voting all the people on that list did. Show us the correlation between the money they received and the votes they cast and then you'll have my full attention. You know like the votes Charley Rangel sells to protect his slums. Or Pelosi makes so her BIL can make millions from government loans for his green energy business, or the inside trading she is privy to so she and others can get rich from information that would send you or I to prison for having or using. Or the slush fund Obama has called a stimulus package to repay his donors. You know, follow the money and then report back with the corruption. Receiving donations is what drives all politicians.
I will give you that there is some suspicious bed partners, but until you can show that they are selling votes, there's not much to it.
Check out what the Pelosis have done regarding the sale of Treasure Island in the S.F. Bay....The term "Prime real estate" doesn't do the island justice and they locked it up so that any and all sales, leases, rents and control goes thru one of the Pelosi children. Hey Nancy, How's that 'draining the swamp of corruption' working for ya now? "The most transparent Congress in history"......Yeah....Riiiiiigght!
 

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Gary Johnson is back in the race !!!!

The Libertarian party has selected Johnson as their nomnee!! :))THumbsUp This means he will be involved in the debates and probably be a decent alternative to the corrupted two major party offerings we currrently have! This is good news for all us Americans who are fed up with the status quo. Go Gary :)devil


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The bigger question is, why aren't the federal prosecutors going after these corrupt politicians. Are they too busy sitting on their asses collecting tax payer dollars, or are they in on the grift and bribes too?
Ever since the end of the cold war, we have not had a "Big threat" to keep us cooperating with each other; We can't get anything done......And DC IS a hot bed of corruption.....I have watched as wave after wave of new "Fresh faces" have gone there to "Clean up the mess" and promptly become part of the problem. As for a third party, I wish we could be so lucky; Even if he was not what we(Either side) really wanted, it would send a message to the parties and DC, "We the voters are the ones you answer to!"
Ross Perot was winning the election, I wish he had gotten in there.....and who knows if his daughter was threatened, or if it was something else. Seriously big power can (And does) breed serious corruption. Term limits and real jail time for them if they are caught with their hands "in the cookie jar"....And any contract they make in public life, can't EVER get a job with that company.
 

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Ever since the end of the cold war, we have not had a "Big threat" to keep us cooperating with each other; We can't get anything done......And DC IS a hot bed of corruption.....I have watched as wave after wave of new "Fresh faces" have gone there to "Clean up the mess" and promptly become part of the problem. As for a third party, I wish we could be so lucky; Even if he was not what we(Either side) really wanted, it would send a message to the parties and DC, "We the voters are the ones you answer to!"
Ross Perot was winning the election, I wish he had gotten in there.....and who knows if his daughter was threatened, or if it was something else. Seriously big power can (And does) breed serious corruption. Term limits and real jail time for them if they are caught with their hands "in the cookie jar"....And any contract they make in public life, can't EVER get a job with that company.
Exactly ! I hope Libertarian / Johnson kicks ass and we really see a revolution against everything you mentioned above! That would be a miracle long overdue :))THumbsUp "Throw the bums out" is an old voter sentiment thats time has come :)devil
 
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