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First off, Hello….new here. Been around a lot of other boating boards for a long time but no info on jets there. Currently own a Fountain 23TE center console.

I have been looking for a hot rod boat for dinner and sandbar runs. I do quite a bit of electronic rigging and basic maintenance for a number of boaters as a side job and have often thought about taking on a project boat. I recently came across this and can pick it up locally very cheap. According to the HIN it appears to be a Miller built in 1976. Mark III is painted on each side. The exterior of the boat is in excellent condition. The interior has been removed but is available to be restored. Structurally, there is obvious rot in the sub floor and it appears someone poured some epoxy over it at some point. There are several bulkheads under the deck. The first (nearest the cockpit) is cracked (See last picture). There was no obvious damage to the hull itself but further inspection may prove otherwise. I think we can assume the stringers have rot and I would suspect the transom as well.
The engine is a 460 Ford that is .30 over. The owner claims it runs but the boat hasn’t been in the water for a few years. It has some corrosion from sitting out in the open. It may be a gem or a turd….
It is a Kentucky boat that has never seen salt and the steel trailer is in good shape seeming to support that claim. He stated he could start the engine.
The owner states the Berkley jet drive was rebuilt shortly before the boat was stored several years ago. He states it is a brass pump. I know nothing about jet drives and without being able to run the boat, it is the biggest unknown. Cosmetically it looks good although the sealant is goobered all over which makes me suspicious of any work that was done.
So…..what am I looking at here? If I purchase this boat, it would be with the intention of making it right. Remove and replace the rot. Probably paint or gel the interior since I live in a salt environment and carpet just doesn’t work.
Lastly, what do you guys think something like this as is would be worth. Say I buy it and it turns out to be more of a headache than its worth....
The HIN is MLL192440476
Asking $2,000 but said to make an offer. Its sitting on the side of an obscure side street so I am not too worried about jumping on it.
Thanks in advance!

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I think for these guys here to give you some good advice, the price the guy is asking would be helpful..
 

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It looks like the stringers may have lifted? If so you have some work ahead.
I didnt see anything that looked like lift but I assume they are wood cored and given the rest of the interior condition, I would be amazed if they are not rotten.
 

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5th pic down looks like there is some sort of delamination, but with all of the crap that is "Slathered" on the bottom of the boat, and miscellaneous B.S. strewn about, I would say that there are quite a few other projects around in much better shape for roughly the same $$$$! but that is just my worthless opinion!
Where are you looking for a project? I think Cyclone knows of a real solid Rogers 19' project boat, I know of a few, just ask about what you are interested in, and there is a boat that has your name all over it out there!
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Miller's are nice boats with a following of sorts. I think with today's economy you would be much better off buying one that has much less structural damage (floor, stringers, transom, bulkheads). There are just too many real nice boats for sale for cheap (compared to what it costs to build them). IMO :D
 

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If you love the hull and are prepared to spend a lot of money to make it right again......I would sy do it

I would never pay $2K for that boat and try to fix it.......You will probably spend another $8K to make itright for you

Keep looking......for something in better shape
 

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If you want to do a project, the Miller hull does ride like a dream. I have that same hull, a bubble deck. Does the motor run? Check the dip stick to make sure there's no water. I'd offer no more than $1500.00 and let the guy know your concerns. I through mine together last year just to get it on the water. I've got to replace the floor in mine as well and re-carpet. This could be a cool project if you aren't too big a hurry to get it wet. Also, have the guy take soem photos of the keel. That will let you know how many times it's been beached and how much glass work you'll need to do underneith. Where abouts are you located?
 

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QUOTE] Its a Great bottom overall Dad Miller was a Legend and its a retro program.
Cash is Hard today so offer a Grand to Fifteen Hundred.
Plan on all new wood. and as things improve it gets better. I just let a 78 21' Eliminator go for $2,500 had one of our transom drives, full Hyd trim, Mag Impeller, 2 year old Upholstry, and a new Block 460 Block. Storage @ 100 a monthn eats the bottom end out of worth.
 

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Personally, I'd never do a project boat again... just too much nice stuff out there that can be had at a fraction of the price (and time) of a project of this caliber. I say $500...
 

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Sometimes the satisfaction of saying you made it happen is worth the effort. I know I enjoy working on my boats. I've got the Miller running and a Tahiti project that is going to be a hotrod 16' jet.
 

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I recently did a full restore on my 1973 miller jet... Lots and lots of work. Lots and lots of money... Got around $20,000 grand in it now and still hasn't gotten wet. Mine was out on the water still when purchased and i had to replace the left stringer, the floor and bulkheads. And then all the other odds and ends... I may have gotten a little out of control with buying some high dollar parts but i'd say its well worth it. Not another boat around that i'd rather have. Its just the way i wanted it built and should last me forever.
 

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I recently did a full restore on my 1973 miller jet... Lots and lots of work. Lots and lots of money... Got around $20,000 grand in it now and still hasn't gotten wet. Mine was out on the water still when purchased and i had to replace the left stringer, the floor and bulkheads. And then all the other odds and ends... I may have gotten a little out of control with buying some high dollar parts but i'd say its well worth it. Not another boat around that i'd rather have. Its just the way i wanted it built and should last me forever.
Lets see some photos of it...
 

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Personally, I'd never do a project boat again... just too much nice stuff out there that can be had at a fraction of the price (and time) of a project of this caliber. I say $500...
DO NOT DO IT! Even in kentucky Or anywhere else there will be way better hulls. I Am the kind of guy that would offer him some money for the motor after a good compression check and hearing it run at idle, mid, and high rpm. Run away from that hull though, buy something else, even a quarter stringer. :)hammers
 

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On the other hand if you can get it CHEAP the headers,trailer.pump,engine might bring you more money to put towards a better cond.boat. just my .02:)hand
 
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