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You see how many vice-presidents they have? Even though some don't get paid by the union, they do get extra perks like trips for organizing and meetings. I know of a few union officials that went to a contract negotiation meeting on the union's dime. They took their families on the way. Made three stops all on the union's dime. Took them a week to drive 400 miles. Of course everywhere they stopped on the way for a rest stop had golf courses. $5000 to drive there and back as well as being paid for being on union business instead of on the job. This didn't include the costs for the stay during the negotiations or the dinners for the officials and their families. All paid for by the rank and file that make 10%.
 

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Seems like chicken scratch compared to the raping most mega corporate CEOs and Upper management does to the stockholders, employees, and customers. Oh almost forgot, and the taxpayers ...:)Unsure
 

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Seems like chicken scratch compared to the raping most mega corporate CEOs and Upper management does to the stockholders, employees, and customers. Oh almost forgot, and the taxpayers ...:)Unsure

Blah blah blah.

There is no "levels" of wrong...is there?
Or I guess there is when you are being paid by both side, right?

Your' union pension, funded by taxpayers = hypocrite.
 

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You see how many vice-presidents they have? Even though some don't get paid by the union, they do get extra perks like trips for organizing and meetings. I know of a few union officials that went to a contract negotiation meeting on the union's dime. They took their families on the way. Made three stops all on the union's dime. Took them a week to drive 400 miles. Of course everywhere they stopped on the way for a rest stop had golf courses. $5000 to drive there and back as well as being paid for being on union business instead of on the job. This didn't include the costs for the stay during the negotiations or the dinners for the officials and their families. All paid for by the rank and file that make 10%.
Sounds like some of our government employees!!! :))ThumbsDwn
 

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Blah blah blah.

There is no "levels" of wrong...is there?
Or I guess there is when you are being paid by both side, right?

Your' union pension, funded by taxpayers = hypocrite.

You are a bitter little man today! Why? Shit even you make more money than those Union CEOs!!

My state pension plan was in place when I was hired in 1973....Why am I a hypocrite for serving my fellow citizens honorably all those years and retiring per the retirement plan ?
 

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Seems like chicken scratch compared to the raping most mega corporate CEOs and Upper management does to the stockholders, employees, and customers. Oh almost forgot, and the taxpayers ...:)Unsure
Hmmph. I find it appalling.

Corporate greed is corporate greed. Im pretty confident that after all the benefits and "perks" (hidden and visible) are accounted for it gets pretty high.
 

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You are a bitter little man today! Why? Shit even you make more money than those Union CEOs!!

My state pension plan was in place when I was hired in 1973....Why am I a hypocrite for serving my fellow citizens honorably all those years and retiring per the retirement plan ?
Because you judge the private sector as all being greedy self serving whatevercrats.

As far as "making" money, yeah I work for mine.
Union CEO's simply collect it.

Corporate CEO's are generally held far more accountable than any union boss also. (Although corporate CEO's can certainly rob the company just as fast and easy)
 

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Seems like chicken scratch compared to the raping most mega corporate CEOs and Upper management does to the stockholders, employees, and customers. Oh almost forgot, and the taxpayers ...:)Unsure


if Union members are ok with the pay-scale and responsibilities of their management team- then who am I to question it.

It's their/ your money.



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if Union members are ok with the pay-scale and responsibilities of their management team- then who am I to question it.

It's their/ your money.



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UD, that just about as stupid as sayin if YOU are OK with the pay scales and responsibilites fo your mayor, city supervisors, governor, state senators, US sentors, and congressmen, VP and POUTS who is it for ME to bitch.

Those asswipes are costing the taxpayers billions. Why do you think went after them. You don't think he knew the money those thiefs cost the taxpayer. You like supporting the lifestyle of these pricks, thats fine. I rather toss their asses to the streets.



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Looks to me like the writing is on the wall for those guys.


I care greatly about taxpayers being held hostage but simply choose to stick to the thread title vs go into private vs public for the 10Kth time.


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if Union members are ok with the pay-scale and responsibilities of their management team- then who am I to question it.

It's their/ your money.



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This is a fair point - as long as the union membership/dues is voluntary and not comprised of govt workers (paid by taxes.)

We use the same defense for corp CEOs and their fat paychecks; if the stockholders are letting it happen, it's not my concern.
 

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This is a fair point - as long as the union membership/dues is voluntary and not comprised of govt workers (paid by taxes.)

We use the same defense for corp CEOs and their fat paychecks; if the stockholders are letting it happen, it's not my concern.

1st point -

If held in the scope of just that - agreed. GN's point is also right when you consider the greater macro effects but I was trying to stick to the post. (I also dont dont feel Im particularly stupid at least not yet)

2nd point

CEO pay is determined by the board - the stockholders get to vote with their money. I've pulled out of certain stocks over executive compensation. (Tyco - before Dennis fell)


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I seriously doubt these people pay dues because they are not union members. They are the leadership of the AFL-CIO. That is not a union, it is a federation of unions. I know the leadership of my union pays dues.
 

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I dont think the pay scale is particularly out of line, considering they represent some 11,000,000 plus common folk and an excess of $100,000,000.00 in assets.

In corporate books, that would warrant a much higher paycheck for the CEO for sure.

Its just the nature of the group that bugs me.
I mean, really. A Union of unions? Sorry, a "Federation".
Thereby excusing us from participating in, or being held to standards of, the minions.
If youre going to represent... at least join.
 

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I dont think the pay scale is particularly out of line, considering they represent some 11,000,000 plus common folk and an excess of $100,000,000.00 in assets.

In corporate books, that would warrant a much higher paycheck for the CEO for sure.

Its just the nature of the group that bugs me.
I mean, really. A Union of unions? Sorry, a "Federation".
Thereby excusing us from participating in, or being held to standards of, the minions.
If youre going to represent... at least join.
Does Roger Goodell (the NFL commisioner) belong to an NFL team? Does he have to suit up and do football drills every summer to get into playing shape?
 

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I seriously doubt these people pay dues because they are not union members. They are the leadership of the AFL-CIO. That is not a union, it is a federation of unions. I know the leadership of my union pays dues.

What union are you in?

You have probably already said, but I missed it.

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You know what the sad thing is about most of these unions are? Most have fought the office worker to keep them from unionizing. They say that they can't afford for their clerical staff to be union!!
The Carpenter's Union in Nor Cal had non-union labor build their new building because they couldn't afford to pay union scale!!!
 
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