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Last weekend, starting Friday afternoon through Sunday about 3 pm, I approached people in the Mohave Valley, Ft Mohave, and southern Bullhead areas and asked them a few questions about what was going on in DC. Primarily I asked about the looming gov't shut down and what was their opinion as to who's fault it would be... I also asked about obamacare, (although I used the official term of the "Affordable Care Act" instead of obamacare) and let them talk without ANY input from me... (yeah, that part was tough, but I wanted their unbiased responses)... I questioned 25 people, or more to the point 25 groups of two or more. I politely approached them as they were leaving Smith's market in Ft Mohave, the Avi Casino, and Walmart in Bullhead City...And yes, I had a clipboard and took notes but DID NOT ask about any political affiliations... Below is what I found out....

Of the 25 groups, (mostly couples, man/wife, two women, or 3 or 4 in a group)
8 were totally unaware anything of importance was going on in DC. (at that point I stopped and just asked if they had healthcare insurance, 7 did not have any type of coverage)

6 of those asked, (5 couples, 1 group of 4,) were fully aware of the looming shut down. Of those 6, 3 blamed the GOP, 2 the Democrats, and one had no opinion as to blame...
The 2 that blamed the Dems also were very critical of the ACA, and supported the few GOP members that were fighting the ACA and "holding the gov't funding hostage"... With these people I went deeper and asked how the ACA affected them personally... Both had seen drastic increases in their healthcare costs, and one was insured through a Union. The Union insured said his share, his payroll deduction, had doubled, and his co pay had gone from $10-15 to 20-30 depending on the service he or his wife were receiving...

The remaining 11 groups knew something was going on, but their knowledge was a week or more old so the action in DC was newer than their information... These 11 didn't know enough about the shutdown to have an opinion, but they all had some type of opinion about the ACA... 5 favored it heavily because of pre existing conditions somewhere in their family or friends, 2 were still on their parents insurance, which they credited the ACA for allowing. The other 4, all couples, some were aware their cost had gone up, but questioned each other as to how much. (one was on the COBRA plan and feared he wouldn't be able to pay for it anymore). Of these 11, 5 did not currently have coverage due to loss of jobs and/or relocations....
What does this tell me??? Did I waste my time?? (Hey, nothing wrong with good old fashioned "girl watching" in a supermarket parking lot).... I guess my point is that the general populace is pretty much blind to what THEIR gov't reps are doing in DC, and that, boys and girls is what is wrong with this Country....Again, I DID NOT ask about political affiliations or who they had voted for in ANY election....
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I think you just summed up what Rush refers to as the low information voter, AKA most of the Democrat voting block. As long as they get free cheese they give their vote away to highest bidder, even if the free cheese is oozing with cyanide. Hey, but it's free right!:)sphss :no:
 

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Bumbling idiots love clipboard surveys.


All the informed folks at those places were to busy and ran the other way when they seen your clipboard.



But I do agree with your findings. I just think that surveys ONLY get the opinion of goobers willing to waste time at a clip board. The same kinda folks that take time to send in "publishers clearing house" and buy lottery tickets. Unfortunately those kinda folks are outnumbering the busy informed folks.
 

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Last weekend, starting Friday afternoon through Sunday about 3 pm, I approached people in the Mohave Valley, Ft Mohave, and southern Bullhead areas and asked them a few questions about what was going on in DC. Primarily I asked about the looming gov't shut down and what was their opinion as to who's fault it would be... I also asked about obamacare, (although I used the official term of the "Affordable Care Act" instead of obamacare) and let them talk without ANY input from me... (yeah, that part was tough, but I wanted their unbiased responses)... I questioned 25 people, or more to the point 25 groups of two or more. I politely approached them as they were leaving Smith's market in Ft Mohave, the Avi Casino, and Walmart in Bullhead City...And yes, I had a clipboard and took notes but DID NOT ask about any political affiliations... Below is what I found out....

Of the 25 groups, (mostly couples, man/wife, two women, or 3 or 4 in a group)
8 were totally unaware anything of importance was going on in DC. (at that point I stopped and just asked if they had healthcare insurance, 7 did not have any type of coverage)

6 of those asked, (5 couples, 1 group of 4,) were fully aware of the looming shut down. Of those 6, 3 blamed the GOP, 2 the Democrats, and one had no opinion as to blame...
The 2 that blamed the Dems also were very critical of the ACA, and supported the few GOP members that were fighting the ACA and "holding the gov't funding hostage"... With these people I went deeper and asked how the ACA affected them personally... Both had seen drastic increases in their healthcare costs, and one was insured through a Union. The Union insured said his share, his payroll deduction, had doubled, and his co pay had gone from $10-15 to 20-30 depending on the service he or his wife were receiving...

The remaining 11 groups knew something was going on, but their knowledge was a week or more old so the action in DC was newer than their information... These 11 didn't know enough about the shutdown to have an opinion, but they all had some type of opinion about the ACA... 5 favored it heavily because of pre existing conditions somewhere in their family or friends, 2 were still on their parents insurance, which they credited the ACA for allowing. The other 4, all couples, some were aware their cost had gone up, but questioned each other as to how much. (one was on the COBRA plan and feared he wouldn't be able to pay for it anymore). Of these 11, 5 did not currently have coverage due to loss of jobs and/or relocations....
What does this tell me??? Did I waste my time?? (Hey, nothing wrong with good old fashioned "girl watching" in a supermarket parking lot).... I guess my point is that the general populace is pretty much blind to what THEIR gov't reps are doing in DC, and that, boys and girls is what is wrong with this Country....Again, I DID NOT ask about political affiliations or who they had voted for in ANY election....
Ray
For the longest time I assumed that our group here was a representative sampling of the U.S. populace with regard to being informed/concerned/in touch/aware and with our views…

My own EXTENDED family made me aware that I was DEAD WRONG and that the vast majority isn’t concerned enough to read/listen/consider/study…

SO, aside from our friends here that DO care and my wife/kids…. WHY should I bother… IF they don’t give a rats azz, why should I try to explain it…

I agree with your approach Ray… :))THumbsUp

P.S. my own nephew tore out some fresh concrete yesterday to rescue a CAT that crawled into a void behind where my dad was mixing/pouring about 1/2 yard of quickcrete... He rips out fresh cement to save a damn cat and he wouldnt turn off the XBOX long enough to watch the evening news OR read the world/financial highlights to save his life...

IF they don't give a rats azz, why should I bother with them???
 

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The apathy in the nation will disappear the day we truly run out of money and all entitlements discontinue. Whether they be the 2.8 million federal employees on the taxpayer's payroll or the 50.1 million who received aid in 2013 or students on government loans, etc. the day is stops, the people will immediately wake up. Democrats will lose 80% of their market share the day government money truly runs out.
 

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There are approx. 4.1M federal employees and approx. 3.1 will remain on the job...

1. Active duty military, all 1.4 million of them, will stay on the job, as will about half the Department of Defense's 800,000 civilian employees

2. Workers not subject to annual appropriations

3. Workers whose jobs are essential to protect life or property

ACA implementation will continue even when the government shuts down. ACA benefits are mandatory spending.
ACA administration will be able to keep workers around to implement those benefits, even if those workers' salaries are supposed to be appropriated.

Nice job TP...:)sphss
 

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There are approx. 4.1M federal employees and approx. 3.1 will remain on the job...

1. Active duty military, all 1.4 million of them, will stay on the job, as will about half the Department of Defense's 800,000 civilian employees

2. Workers not subject to annual appropriations

3. Workers whose jobs are essential to protect life or property

ACA implementation will continue even when the government shuts down. ACA benefits are mandatory spending.
ACA administration will be able to keep workers around to implement those benefits, even if those workers' salaries are supposed to be appropriated.

Nice job TP...:)sphss
TP?

So you agree that the whole "government shutdown" is a farce that Liberals/progressives are spinning up to RAM through OBamacare?
 

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TP?

So you agree that the whole "government shutdown" is a farce that Liberals/progressives are spinning up to RAM through OBamacare?
Nope...ACA is law, pass a clean CR...the farce is on the radical GOP'rs in the House...:)sphss

They had time to work with the Senate on a budget since April...:)hammers but refused, time and again...
 

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Nope...ACA is law, pass a clean CR...the farce is on the radical GOP'rs in the House...:)sphss

They had time to work with the Senate on a budget since April...:)hammers but refused, time and again...
Believe what you wanna believe....


here is the pudding...

"According to the figures, for example, a 27-year-old Missourian earning $25,000 annually will pay roughly $87 a month for the lowest-cost plan after using the tax credits.
But a 27-year-old earning $10,000 a year doesn’t make enough to qualify for those tax credits. That means he must pay $162 a month for the cheapest policy, nearly twice as much as the $25,000 earner.
That lower earner simply won’t buy insurance, predicted Dennis Dunmyer of the Kansas City CARE Clinic."

Read more here: Preliminary Obamacare cost preview data released (with cost calculator) - KansasCity.com


NOW, before you respond quickly with a "that sounds reasonable either way" let me remind you that BRONZE coverage AINT SHIT... and a broken leg/ribs and a punctured lung from a bad fall will leave the 27 yr old with a debt that will force him / her into bankrupcy...

The 90% Platnum coverage aint shit if you have a 1 million dollar string of surgeries for bypass/stints/rehab/ongoing care/meds...
 

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Over 30M people now have access to basic health care...no declines for previous conditions...sounds like a winner to me...:))THumbsUp
 

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Over 30M people now have access to basic health care...no declines for previous conditions...sounds like a winner to me...:))THumbsUp
They had access before. You tell me one person that was declined any health care and I'll show that you're lying or they were too stupid. No one was ever turned away from receiving any care. Those that were poor had always been able to use Medicaid.

All this law does is take away from those who have worked hard and gives to those who won't.
 

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Over 30M people now have access to basic health care...no declines for previous conditions...sounds like a winner to me...:))THumbsUp
AND you are OK with paying TRIPPLE for your current level of coverage to subsidize the folks that refuse to go out and find a job that will afford them the same level of HC that we worked our ass off for???

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There are approx. 4.1M federal employees and approx. 3.1 will remain on the job...

1. Active duty military, all 1.4 million of them, will stay on the job, as will about half the Department of Defense's 800,000 civilian employees

2. Workers not subject to annual appropriations

3. Workers whose jobs are essential to protect life or property Are forced to work without pay.

ACA implementation will continue even when the government shuts down. ACA benefits are mandatory spending.
ACA administration will be able to keep workers around to implement those benefits, even if those workers' salaries are supposed to be appropriated. Even if they too will be working without pay. Maybe they will get back pay.

Nice job TP...:)sphss
I fixed your quote for you. Not everyone that is left working is left getting paid for the work they are doing. Hopefully they will get paid for the work they are doing after the budget is approved, correction after a continuing resolution is approved. But there is no requirement for that to happen. On top of that, the trickle down effect will start to hit and state employees that are funded through federal programs will start to be laid off as well. The active duty military is funded, but the Guard and Reserves are not. Non-essential Guard and Reserve members are not reporting to work. (Kind of ironic since they will get paid for the whole month once the resolution is passed) and Unit Drills will be canceled until the money starts flowing again. Air traffic controllers are working without pay until this is resolved.

The delay of individual implementation is a reasonable request. The removal of the subsidy for politicians and their families is reasonable. And the funding of the Gov't for a specific period of time is reasonable. What isn't reasonable is why the Senate can't put forth a budget. Why do we need continuing resolutions? I think the answer should be that the Senate produce a budget by 20 October or on 6 November, we'll replace everyone of them. Those replacing Senators not normally up for re-election will only serve the balance of the term of the person they are replacing.
 

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See post #9...:)hand The party of "NO" at their finest...:thumb:
Seems that I heard REED on TV saying that they would in NO WAY, NO WAY WOULD HE NEGOTIATE with the HOUSE on ANY changes to OLAMOCARE.. NO NO NO NO NO... Did you miss that???
 

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See post #9...:)hand The party of "NO" at their finest...:thumb:
Wrong. Maybe you should get a smart liberal (oxymoron) to help here. The Senate needs to pass a budget, or at the very least present one. They have failed. Perhaps they can fix the piece of crap the white house sent in.

The white house, late as usual, puts forth a budget with more tax the worker strings than you could tie in a lifetime. Just so they can claim they have a plan to reduce the deficit. Yet they put stuff in the budget that is so stupid it is beyond believable. Like the charge every aircraft that flies a $100 fee for using controlled airspace as they all use the same amount of air traffic control. None of them are charged currently. But if they do where are they going to find the airline pilots for the future? Since most General Aviation flights are less than 2 hours, this would ad at least $75,000 to the cost of the training a pilot needs to have in order to meet the required 1500 hours and become an airline pilot. I'm sure that will work out well for the people, I'm sorry, but there will be no flight today as we don't have any pilots that meet the required flight minimums. Just like he plans to cut the payments to training hospitals (read that as college hospitals where doctors are trained). Cut the payments to doctors (he said align them with reasonable amounts). And not a single cut to any entitlement category. What a great plan Zero came up with.

But where is a Senatorial proposal for a budget? If they can't produce one then they should be replaced.
 

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Over 30M people now have access to basic health care...no declines for previous conditions...sounds like a winner to me...:))THumbsUp
Can you please tell us all who pays for them. We already know 1/2 of our country will NOT spend a cent for this health care but be fully covered. Who is it that will be paying for those plus the 11 million illegal aliens who will also receive full coverage? We're all ears.

Oh, and don't say the government - because they don't have any money at all. They only have what they tax out of the productive class.

You also mentioned the "Party of NO" but pointed your finger to the GOP. Can you give us a detailed explanation how 1/2 of a third of the branches of our federal government can control a single thing? Since 2007 the democrats have been in control of the Executive and legislative branches and only last year did the GOP garner even a majority in 1/2 of congress. Now shue, even you should be able to see that the GOP has not the capacity to be called the party of NO.

No the party of NO is the democrat party. Since their super-majority where KenyanKare was jammed down the throats of the American they have done nothing! I'll tell you what they haven't used their majority to do though:
NO truth to the cost of their health care bill that is now the single largest tax increase on the American people in our nation's history
NO budget! Not even a close call at passing a budget
NO jobs bills! Fact is the unemployment has been worse since they took office than in any extended time in our nation's history
NO plan to get out of Afghanistan! Under former President George W. Bush, 575 American soldiers died OVER EIGHT YEARS and fewer than 3,000 were wounded in Afghanistan. This means under Obama, at least 1,405 soldiers have died and nearly 15,000 additional soldiers have been wounded IN JUST HIS FIRST THREE AND A HALF YEARS, which means 70% of the deaths and nearly 80% of the injuries in Afghanistan have occurred under Obama’s watch.
NO listening to the American people who clearly spoke out in overwhelming numbers about helping Al Qaeda in Syria which the Kenyan ignored.
NO explanation for billions of stimulus money that created no shovel ready jobs but paid back billions to the Kenyan's campaign contributors.
NO working with the GOP across the aisle but full cooperation given to Syria's al Assad.
NO answers on Benghazi - just a bunch of witnesses who have been silenced.
NO answers on Fast and Furious while Americans and Mexicans continue to be gunned down with weapons supplied to the drug cartels.
NO clue how to dig America out of this scandal mess we are now engulfed in.
NO explanation for nearly doubling our national deficit
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NO way to keep the government running with their inept leadership.

Sorry pal but 1/2 of 1/3 is not the fault you seek. Only a mindless sheep would try to blame such.
 

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Nope...ACA is law, pass a clean CR...the farce is on the radical GOP'rs in the House...:)sphss

They had time to work with the Senate on a budget since April...:)hammers but refused, time and again...
Its ACA now and not Obama care....and he wants to call it law after the less than sixty votes on house trickery, will shut out veterans going to DC memorials but will sign up dumbasses in the Obama ponzi scheme, doesnt want to admit that tyranny is stopped by holding up money, OBAMA is not a KING.

It is no farce that free men fight tyranny, only that you would roll over and ask for more inches into your ass.

Cant wait to fight you and your type in the streets
 

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Bottom line, there is NOTHING affordable about it... NOTHING...


IF a young person has to pay 300/month or 3600 per year for bronze coverage (which is what I paid about 10-11 yrs ago for a PREMIUM family plan) and has a accident which requires a hospital stay and they rack up 10k in charges (keep in mind that a MRI can easily be $5,000.00) and their portion is $4,000.00 on top of the $3,600 per year, how is that affordable???

NOW lets look at an older person that has to pay ????????????? for platinum coverage and has cancer, organ transplant and racks up a 1/2 million dollar bill which is easy to do with more advanced procedures... They are on the hook for 50k STILL on top of the monthly premium of ???????????? WE DONT KNOW...

Why dont we have estimates of the 90% platinum coverages???

I wouldnt be comfortable with 90% coverage, my insurance now is far far better than that AND I think most folks as well have better than 90% coverage... BUT we dont know how much that will even cost.......................
 

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Its ACA now and not Obama care....and he wants to call it law after the less than sixty votes on house trickery, will shut out veterans going to DC memorials but will sign up dumbasses in the Obama ponzi scheme, doesnt want to admit that tyranny is stopped by holding up money, OBAMA is not a KING.

It is no farce that free men fight tyranny, only that you would roll over and ask for more inches into your ass.

Cant wait to fight you and your type in the streets
me too...

 
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