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Old Jerry's at it again. $16 B shortfall and he want's the people to pony up in increased taxes to support a bloated self-serving government that used to give out cheese and now hands out steak to those who are illegal, those who are lazy, and those who have figured out how to game the system like banging overtime so they can get more retirement than they earned. Well, Jerry and all his union loving buddies can go pound sand ... again. His government for the government mentality can bankrupt California and he take all the teet suckers with him. It's indefensible to spend more than you take in. Begging for more is not a solution you'll find in a real leader.
 

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my wife just called to tell me that she's looking at another 5% pay cut. Yes, she's a state employee and no, she doesn't have a big retirement, she doesn't get paid didley squat and we have to pay for our own healthcare. Right now, she's making 8% less than she was in 1999.
Instead of an across the board pay cut, it should be adjusted based on income just like the Prez is suggesting. If they make more then they get a bigger cut something like up to $40K= 0 cut, $41k to $75K = 3%, 76 to $100, 5%, anything over $100K = 8% or something along those lines. Cut the fat from the top, those are the ones that don't earn what they get paid....on the most part anyway.
 

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Ca.is the poster child of the united states ,we just keep spending money we dont have.
 

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Cas, are you suggesting that Moonbeam and all of the legislature, agency heads, state law officials, and all the others making insane annual salaries take a cut? Any cuts? Give up the state vehicle and the state cell phone, and the state credit cards for "official business lunches"? Is that what your suggesting? hil:)
Yea, that was a bit far fetched wasn't it! At least it looks like I gave you a chuckle with my asinine racist conservative suggestion :p
 

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The real problem with the country and states is the tax code. It's not our money under this $74,000 page abomination.

Here's a OVERLY SIMPLIFIED but accurate example of how money will pass from person to person in LA county if all they bought was services form person to person with no deductions. At some point, you have to go back to the government and ask them for your money back. It happens so fast it's almost a joke.

You will see how each person has less and less of the orginal $108,750 piece of the pie. Each transaction the government says 53.17% is theirs and it quickly becomes all of theirs as it's ALREADY taxed dollars. Eventually you have to go back and go Mr. Government can I have some money? Our economic system is laughably hilarious. We pay people to dig holes and fill them in many industries in our country.
 

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Yea, that was a bit far fetched wasn't it! At least it looks like I gave you a chuckle with my asinine racist conservative suggestion :p
Cities, counties, states and the fed all work like normal corporations with one exception.

In both cases when the going gets tough, the work load is increased and the pay decreased from the bottom up.
The exception is, corporations better make money, or the heads start rolling from the top down, and corporations don't have the benefit of a captive/hostage customer base that is forced to pay for services not rendered, nor are the top excutives HIRED by non paying benefactors. They are hired and fired by stockholders that DEMAND a return on their money. Not hired by freeloaders that EXPECT handouts.

Once FDR and even more so LBJ started buying up votes with freeies at our expense, the game was all but over. Both sides leared to play the handout game for votes.



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my wife just called to tell me that she's looking at another 5% pay cut. Yes, she's a state employee and no, she doesn't have a big retirement, she doesn't get paid didley squat and we have to pay for our own healthcare. Right now, she's making 8% less than she was in 1999.
Instead of an across the board pay cut, it should be adjusted based on income just like the Prez is suggesting. If they make more then they get a bigger cut something like up to $40K= 0 cut, $41k to $75K = 3%, 76 to $100, 5%, anything over $100K = 8% or something along those lines. Cut the fat from the top, those are the ones that don't earn what they get paid....on the most part anyway.
I have to agree with you that the administrators think they're worth more than they are. I also think that if someone has a job value greater then $100K including overtime, (with very few exceptions), it should be provided for by the private sector.
 

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The real problem with the country and states is the tax code. It's not our money under this $74,000 page abomination.

Here's a OVERLY SIMPLIFIED but accurate example of how money will pass from person to person in LA county if all they bought was services form person to person with no deductions. At some point, you have to go back to the government and ask them for your money back. It happens so fast it's almost a joke.

You will see how each person has less and less of the orginal $108,750 piece of the pie. Each transaction the government says 53.17% is theirs and it quickly becomes all of theirs as it's ALREADY taxed dollars. Eventually you have to go back and go Mr. Government can I have some money? Our economic system is laughably hilarious. We pay people to dig holes and fill them in many industries in our country.
That right there is the PROOF that the money in the country DOES NOT flow to the top 1%. It ALL FLOWS TO THE GOVERNMENT!



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Cas, are you suggesting that Moonbeam and all of the legislature, agency heads, state law officials, and all the others making insane annual salaries take a cut? Any cuts? Give up the state vehicle and the state cell phone, and the state credit cards for "official business lunches"? Is that what your suggesting? hil:)
You consider Governor Brown's salary, which last year was less than $174K insane, but have no problem with a CEO making $10 million a year. Wow.

PS I would not object to any state employee who makes more than $100K being forced to take a 10% pay cut.
 

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You consider Governor Brown's salary, which last year was less than $174K insane, but have no problem with a CEO making $10 million a year. Wow.
You consider Romney a flip flopper, and a mistake if elected. Yet have no problem voting to reelect a Pres that has set record debt, record spending, never got a single vote on any proposed budget, flip flopped on gay marriage for votes, and who's history is shrouded in locked down mystery.
Wow......
 

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You consider Romney a flip flopper, and a mistake if elected. Yet have no problem voting to reelect a Pres that has set record debt, record spending, never got a single vote on any proposed budget, flip flopped on gay marriage for votes, and who's history is shrouded in locked down mystery.
Wow......
Are we talking about Governor Brown or Mittens? And please show me where I said Mittens was a flip flopper or a he would be a mistake if elected.
 

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You consider Romney a flip flopper, and a mistake if elected. Yet have no problem voting to reelect a Pres that has set record debt, record spending, never got a single vote on any proposed budget, flip flopped on gay marriage for votes, and who's history is shrouded in locked down mystery.
Wow......
You used the word "consider" with this troll? I doubt he's considered anything in his life. That requires seeing both sides, using reason and the dissemination of information to draw a reasonable conclusion. He just does what his union tells him to do and based on that, Romney must be bad. He can't speak of flip-flopping without facing his hero's monumental flip-flop on the debt limit and a dozen other obvious situations.
 

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You consider Governor Brown's salary, which last year was less than $174K insane, but have no problem with a CEO making $10 million a year. Wow.

PS I would not object to any state employee who makes more than $100K being forced to take a 10% pay cut.
If Moonbean was a CEO he would have recieved his walking papers already. You don't cut wages for the floor sweeper at GM, while handing out free lunches to the bum on the street from Mexico. Not if you expect to keep your OVERPAID job!



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You consider Governor Brown's salary, which last year was less than $174K insane, but have no problem with a CEO making $10 million a year. Wow.

PS I would not object to any state employee who makes more than $100K being forced to take a 10% pay cut.
I dont see the CEO on the same plane of financial existance as the government worker to begin with.

One is our money (gove worker) - the other is not my your or anyones money (CEO)

Why would you care of a CEO of a public company makes 10 million a year- its not your money its public sector money.
(as long as the company neither needed or accepted bail out money)

The ceo risks jail time every time he signs a financial statement (every 3 months) where the government worker is nearly immune form prosecution regardless of their antics.

Help me understand why you care what a ceo makes?

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You consider Governor Brown's salary, which last year was less than $174K insane, but have no problem with a CEO making $10 million a year. Wow.

PS I would not object to any state employee who makes more than $100K being forced to take a 10% pay cut.

Did he run/plead for the Gov. job?

Did he understand the mess he was getting into?

Now onto the your problem of asking Public Employees to take a cut.

Comparing Jerry Brown to a CEO making Millions of $'s is even for you incredible!!:))ThumbsDwn:))ThumbsDwn

What amount of $'s has Moombeam made for the State of California and $'s for investors taking a chance on a company.?

I realize you just don't get it.:no:
 

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Did he run/plead for the Gov. job?

Did he understand the mess he was getting into?

Now onto the your problem of asking Public Employees to take a cut.

Comparing Jerry Brown to a CEO making Millions of $'s is even for you incredible!!:))ThumbsDwn:))ThumbsDwn

What amount of $'s has Moombeam made for the State of California and $'s for investors taking a chance on a company.?

I realize you just don't get it.:no:
 

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Are we talking about Governor Brown or Mittens? And please show me where I said Mittens was a flip flopper or a he would be a mistake if elected.

please refer yourself to post #16 of the Elizabeth Warren thread where you agree with Z that Romney should be called chief flip flopper or something to that description.

any questions, you can't even remember what you say.
 
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