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Or is this another case of people judging themselves on a curve? There's a lot of people I know who consider themselves moderate conservatives, who seem like rabid socialists to me.
 

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Trouble with these polls is, a high percentage of Libs won't admit to the fact.....Kind of like trying to find someone admitting they voted for HusseinO nowadays.:)hand
 

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Thanks Ultra, I mean guys for ruining a glimmer of hope.......:D:D:D


It's a start, we can't let up!:)devil
 

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Here are your conservatives:


Do people really go to church for investment opportunities? Apparently so, because affinity fraud tops the list of the state's biggest scams, according to the Arizona Corporation Commission.

For the unenlightened, affinity schemes target a group of like-minded individuals, typically churchgoers. Arizona has seen its fair share of these, many advanced by pastors and church leaders who "got in on the ground floor" of a deal just too good to be true.

In many cases, these deals turn out to be Ponzi or pyramid schemes, where money from new investors is used to pay percentage returns to old investors.

Authorities point to the Baptist Foundation as one of the biggest. Another investment scam that authorities say worked its way through a pair of Valley churches was run by Ed Purvis. In that case, one church turned over part of its building fund to Purvis' company, Nakami Chi Group Ministries International.

A lengthy investigation by The Arizona Republic revealed that Purvis and his partner Greg Wolfe had lured dozens of investors with promises of lucrative returns. Records later showed their money was used by Purvis to pay for jewelry, a new home purchase, car payments, his own investments and casino gambling.

The money that was supposed to pay for a new church building was lost and the church was forced to sell its land.

It should be a sad and bitter lesson. Unfortunately, it is never completely learned as evidenced by the state's top 10 list for this year:

Click here for the complete list.

1. Affinity fraud.

2. Entertainment investments: Offers to put your money in Internet porn sites, online gambling, infomercials, etc.

3. Foreign currency trading: Promises to make you rich by capitalizing on the fluctuating rates of currency among countries.

4. Natural resource investment: Gold! Gold! Gold! It may be in them thar hills, but it won't wind up in your wallet.

5. Prime bank investments: A promise to make you one of the select few trading in off-shore bank debentures. Only problem, there is no such market.

6. Ponzi schemes: Typically revolve around a new product or strategy that will yield amazing returns. It is a house of cards built on a growing pool of investors. No product and the only strategy at play is other-people's money.

7. Private placement offerings: Invitation to join a small pool of investors raising capital for a venture that is not yet registered with the Securities and Exchange Commission.

8. Real estate investment: Mortgage fixes and other home savings offers in exchange for an up-front fee.

9. Short-term commercial promissory notices: Promises of guarantees or insurance on investments that use commercial paper exemptions to raise capital for a product. These exemptions are limited to major corporations.

10. Speculative investments and new products: It's so new and great you can't pass up this investment opportunity. Scams involve promises of equipment to turn algae into oil, technology to extract precious metals from volcanic rock, etc. In many cases, the investment is shrouded in scientific language.

http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/WATCHBLOG/61372







Thursday, August 27, 2009 at 12:30 PM
 

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Here are your conservatives:


Do people really go to church for investment opportunities? Apparently so, because affinity fraud tops the list of the state's biggest scams, according to the Arizona Corporation Commission.

For the unenlightened, affinity schemes target a group of like-minded individuals, typically churchgoers. Arizona has seen its fair share of these, many advanced by pastors and church leaders who "got in on the ground floor" of a deal just too good to be true.

In many cases, these deals turn out to be Ponzi or pyramid schemes, where money from new investors is used to pay percentage returns to old investors.

Authorities point to the Baptist Foundation as one of the biggest. Another investment scam that authorities say worked its way through a pair of Valley churches was run by Ed Purvis. In that case, one church turned over part of its building fund to Purvis' company, Nakami Chi Group Ministries International.

A lengthy investigation by The Arizona Republic revealed that Purvis and his partner Greg Wolfe had lured dozens of investors with promises of lucrative returns. Records later showed their money was used by Purvis to pay for jewelry, a new home purchase, car payments, his own investments and casino gambling.

The money that was supposed to pay for a new church building was lost and the church was forced to sell its land.

It should be a sad and bitter lesson. Unfortunately, it is never completely learned as evidenced by the state's top 10 list for this year:

Click here for the complete list.

1. Affinity fraud.

2. Entertainment investments: Offers to put your money in Internet porn sites, online gambling, infomercials, etc.

3. Foreign currency trading: Promises to make you rich by capitalizing on the fluctuating rates of currency among countries.

4. Natural resource investment: Gold! Gold! Gold! It may be in them thar hills, but it won't wind up in your wallet.

5. Prime bank investments: A promise to make you one of the select few trading in off-shore bank debentures. Only problem, there is no such market.

6. Ponzi schemes: Typically revolve around a new product or strategy that will yield amazing returns. It is a house of cards built on a growing pool of investors. No product and the only strategy at play is other-people's money.

7. Private placement offerings: Invitation to join a small pool of investors raising capital for a venture that is not yet registered with the Securities and Exchange Commission.

8. Real estate investment: Mortgage fixes and other home savings offers in exchange for an up-front fee.

9. Short-term commercial promissory notices: Promises of guarantees or insurance on investments that use commercial paper exemptions to raise capital for a product. These exemptions are limited to major corporations.

10. Speculative investments and new products: It's so new and great you can't pass up this investment opportunity. Scams involve promises of equipment to turn algae into oil, technology to extract precious metals from volcanic rock, etc. In many cases, the investment is shrouded in scientific language.

http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/WATCHBLOG/61372







Thursday, August 27, 2009 at 12:30 PM
Your point? Or did you just c'mon over 'cause you're butt hurt at the people you assumed to be conservatives didn't see your affection for a murderous drunken loser?

You want to contribute fine but to throw up some bullshitt about religious folks and fraud isn't anything to do with anyone over here and if you'd stick around with an open mind you may realize that.....:)hand
 

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Trouble with these polls is, a high percentage of Libs won't admit to the fact.....Kind of like trying to find someone admitting they voted for HusseinO nowadays.:)hand
Like trying to find someone at work who admits to voting FOR one of our union labor contracts (other than me).
No-one seems to vote to accept them, but, a majority apparently do/did, every time.
 

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Your point? Or did you just c'mon over 'cause you're butt hurt at the people you assumed to be conservatives didn't see your affection for a murderous drunken loser?

You want to contribute fine but to throw up some bullshitt about religious folks and fraud isn't anything to do with anyone over here and if you'd stick around with an open mind you may realize that.....:)hand
10-ring!
 

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Your point? Or did you just c'mon over 'cause you're butt hurt at the people you assumed to be conservatives didn't see your affection for a murderous drunken loser?

You want to contribute fine but to throw up some bullshitt about religious folks and fraud isn't anything to do with anyone over here and if you'd stick around with an open mind you may realize that.....:)hand
Tex, this poser is ASSUMING that all conservatives are religious churchgoing right wing radicals. Anyone who goes to church must be a Conservative and every conservative must go to church. Typical for a lib to lump everyone into catagories like blacks, whites, asians, gay/straight, rich/poor etc. They need to catagorize people so they can target their select groups.....Oh yeah, they also like to use that old worn out "community" phrase, like the "Black Community" or the "Asian Community" I guess it helps them organize their narrow minds.
 
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