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Give him a break! He has two of his "special ones" planted securely in the court these days and he thinks no rules apply to him as long as his friends comply with his BS.

Besides, if he were to do something right, it would be a complete shock to America.
He's securing his own unemployment bid for 2012.
 

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To be expected.... the greedy billion dollar insurance companies may be getting antsy. Other than their panic, what is the rush to circumvent the normal path of appeal? Due process is always a prudent way to do things unless someone is up to no good..BTW, the American people are tired of being railroaded by greedy corporate interests.
 

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To be expected.... the greedy billion dollar insurance companies may be getting antsy. Other than their panic, what is the rush to circumvent the normal path of appeal? Due process is always a prudent way to do things unless someone is up to no good..BTW, the American people are tired of being railroaded by greedy corporate interests.
Amazing! Back to the greedy corperation song and dance. Well guess what someone is up to no good. THE GOVERNMENT. And it is they who are the greedy ones trying to take over the HC industry while violating our civil rights. The gov has no right to force anyone to purchase any goods or services. Yet they are trying to in order to make the worst piece of legislation in American history become law. Infact if I remember right the ins companies were on board with the law. It is the states that are sueing the Fed Gov not the ins corperations. Now go back to your civil service and pretend you have half a clue.:)sphss:)sphss
 

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To be expected.... the greedy billion dollar insurance companies may be getting antsy. Other than their panic, what is the rush to circumvent the normal path of appeal? Due process is always a prudent way to do things unless someone is up to no good..BTW, the American people are tired of being railroaded by greedy corporate interests.
The mandate that forces citizens to purchase health insurance, helps the insurance companies....They were in bed with the admin on this one.
 

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The mandate that forces citizens to purchase health insurance, helps the insurance companies....They were in bed with the admin on this one.
SHHHHHHHHHHHH. Don't feed him facts like that. He need's to be able to think all the problems in this country are the corperations fault. That way he will never have to come to the realization it is mostly the Gov fault. Which would in turn be part his fault as he is a Gov employee.:D
 

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Amazing! Back to the greedy corperation song and dance. Well guess what someone is up to no good. THE GOVERNMENT. And it is they who are the greedy ones trying to take over the HC industry while violating our civil rights. The gov has no right to force anyone to purchase any goods or services. Yet they are trying to in order to make the worst piece of legislation in American history become law. Infact if I remember right the ins companies were on board with the law. It is the states that are sueing the Fed Gov not the ins corperations. Now go back to your civil service and pretend you have half a clue.:)sphss:)sphss
It's most likely not the worst piece of legislation in American history (the Missouri Compromise no doubt still has that honor). But otherwise your points are dead on.:)devil
 

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To be expected.... the greedy billion dollar insurance companies may be getting antsy. Other than their panic, what is the rush to circumvent the normal path of appeal? Due process is always a prudent way to do things unless someone is up to no good..BTW, the American people are tired of being railroaded by greedy corporate interests.
As expected....spoken like a good little Democrat operative, divert the attention from the real problem and focus on the GREEDY CORPORATIONS....What would you do if you didn't have the corporations to kick around anymore?
 

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It's most likely not the worst piece of legislation in American history (the Missouri Compromise no doubt still has that honor).
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But otherwise your points are dead on.:)devil
His points are contradictory, and I am surprised you cannot see it. First Marv claims the government is trying to take over the HC industry.

Amazing! Back to the greedy corperation song and dance. Well guess what someone is up to no good. THE GOVERNMENT. And it is they who are the greedy ones trying to take over the HC industry while violating our civil rights.
Then 5150 states something that is somewhat based in fact: that the HC law benefits health insurance companies.
The mandate that forces citizens to purchase health insurance, helps the insurance companies....They were in bed with the admin on this one.
Then Marvin replies that 5150's statement was fact.
SHHHHHHHHHHHH. Don't feed him facts like that.
If the HC reform laws benefit the HC companies, how exactly is this a government attempt to take over the HC industry? Those two ideas don't seem just a little contradictory to you?
 

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His points are contradictory, and I am surprised you cannot see it. First Marv claims the government is trying to take over the HC industry.



Then 5150 states something that is somewhat based in fact: that the HC law benefits health insurance companies.

Then Marvin replies that 5150's statement was fact.

If the HC reform laws benefit the HC companies, how exactly is this a government attempt to take over the HC industry? Those two ideas don't seem just a little contradictory to you?
Except that Zombie said it was the Ins Companies who were behind getting the case directly to the SC out of greed and up to no good. We just cleared up the fact that the ins companies benifit from the new law and have no reason to force it to the supreme court to try and get out of it. It is the State Gov that will be hit with the higher costs that are taking the Fed gov to court. Next time try and follow along.:)sphss
 

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Except that Zombie said it was the Ins Companies who were behind getting the case directly to the SC out of greed and up to no good. We just cleared up the fact that the ins companies benifit from the new law and have no reason to force it to the supreme court to try and get out of it. It is the State Gov that will be hit with the higher costs that are taking the Fed gov to court. Next time try and follow along.:)sphss
I wasn't discussing the HC laws going to the Supreme Court. Nice attempt at changing the subject when you yourself disprove the idea that the HC laws were a socialist government takeover of HC.:clapping::thumb: Now maybe you will quit trying to assert the idea that Obama has been trying to push a socialist agenda.:cuckoo:
 

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His points are contradictory, and I am surprised you cannot see it. First Marv claims the government is trying to take over the HC industry.



Then 5150 states something that is somewhat based in fact: that the HC law benefits health insurance companies.

Then Marvin replies that 5150's statement was fact.

If the HC reform laws benefit the HC companies, how exactly is this a government attempt to take over the HC industry? Those two ideas don't seem just a little contradictory to you?
His points seem contradictory, because this Rube Goldberg mess of a law is full of schitzoid contradictions.

P.S. Why do you seem shocked that I would pick a law that extended the life of slavery in this country and ultimatly led to the civil war as the worst piece of American legislation ever???
 

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P.S. Why do you seem shocked that I would pick a law that extended the life of slavery in this country and ultimatly led to the civil war as the worst piece of American legislation ever???
Because I don't think the Missouri Compromise directly led to the civil war and was shocked that you would think that a law that restricted the territories that slavery was allowed in would be the worst piece of legislation ever passed.
 

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Because I don't think the Missouri Compromise directly led to the civil war and was shocked that you would think that a law that restricted the territories that slavery was allowed in would be the worst piece of legislation ever passed.
Because an early counter proposal (supported by Thomas Jefferson) that would have ended slavery completely by 1826 (and prevented the the civil war) only failed to pass in congress by one vote and the Missouri compromise did directly lead to the civil war, just like Jefferson said it would....
P.S. It only extended the life of slavery. It failed to resolve the issue of the expansion of slavery. When the debates that led to the Missouri Compromise started, support for slavery, was very low (even in the south). In short, this was the time when America had it's best shot at peacefully and successfully ending slavery and Congress blew it.

P.P.S. Here is part of Jeferson's opinion on the M Compromise.

Thomas Jefferson to John Holmes
Monticello Apr. 22. 20.

I thank you, Dear Sir, for the copy you have been so kind as to send me of the letter to your constituents on the Missouri question. it is a perfect justification to them. I had for a long time ceased to read the newspapers or pay any attention to public affairs, confident they were in good hands, and content to be a passenger in our bark to the shore from which I am not distant. but this momentous question, like a fire bell in the night, awakened and filled me with terror. I considered it at once as the knell of the Union. it is hushed indeed for the moment. but this is a reprieve only, not a final sentence. a geographical line, coinciding with a marked principle, moral and political, once concieved and held up to the angry passions of men, will never be obliterated; and every new irritation will mark it deeper and deeper.
 

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If the HC reform laws benefit the HC companies, how exactly is this a government attempt to take over the HC industry? Those two ideas don't seem just a little contradictory to you?
So say the libs who disappointed we didn't get single payer. :)

Now maybe you will quit trying to assert the idea that Obama has been trying to push a socialist agenda.:cuckoo:
Fat chance. :D

the Missouri compromise did directly lead to the civil war, just like Jefferson said it would....
P.S. It only extended the life of slavery. It failed to resolve the issue of the expansion of slavery. When the debates that led to the Missouri Compromise started, support for slavery, was very low (even in the south). In short, this was the time when America had it's best shot at peacefully and successfully ending slavery and Congress blew it.
Most interesting. The floor is open to other nominations for the worst law ever passed.
Btw, ES, is there some online poll somewhere where history professors vote on this? :D
 

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Most interesting. The floor is open to other nominations for the worst law ever passed.
Btw, ES, is there some online poll somewhere where history professors vote on this? :D
If this is your way of saying that this is a topic for another thred, then I would say that you are correct.:D

P.S. My other vote for worst U.S. Law ever would be for the passage and ratification of the 16th amendment, but that might not meet some folks definition of legislation..;)
 

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If this is your way of saying that this is a topic for another thred, then I would say that you are correct.:D

It was my way of suggesting that I'm talking to a history professor. :D Also I found it interesting that you had a ready answer, I've never thought this thru. :)


P.S. My other vote for worst U.S. Law ever would be for the passage and ratification of the 16th amendment,

An excellent choice.

but that might not meet some folks definition of legislation..;)
Why split hairs? It's as ugly as any other sausage. :D
 

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I wasn't discussing the HC laws going to the Supreme Court. Nice attempt at changing the subject when you yourself disprove the idea that the HC laws were a socialist government takeover of HC.:clapping::thumb: Now maybe you will quit trying to assert the idea that Obama has been trying to push a socialist agenda.:cuckoo:
Nice try . But read the OP and you will find IT IS what this thread is about. And given the chance O would have pushed for a single payer system if he could have gotten the votes. And if you don't think O settled for this knowing it was the first step towards a single payer system you are as delusional as a retard.:)hand:)hand:)hand
 
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