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-- Even BB guns could be on the chopping block

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Tuesday, April 21, 2009

Remember CANDIDATE Barack Obama? The guy who "wasn't going to take away our guns"?

Well, guess what?

Less than 100 days into his administration, he's never met a gun he didn't hate.
A week ago, Obama went to Mexico, whined about the United States, and bemoaned (before the whole world) the fact that he didn't have the political power to take away our semi-automatics. Nevertheless, that didn't keep him from pushing additional restrictions on American gun owners.
It's called the Inter-American Convention Against Illicit Manufacturing of and Trafficking in Firearms, Ammunition, Explosives, and Other Related Materials. To be sure, this imponderable title masks a really nasty piece of work.

First of all, when the treaty purports to ban the "illicit" manufacture of firearms, what does that mean?
1. "Illicit manufacturing" of firearms is defined as "assembly of firearms [or] ammunition... without a license...."
Hence, reloading ammunition -- or putting together a lawful firearm from a kit -- is clearly "illicit manufacturing."
Modifying a firearm in any way would surely be "illicit manufacturing." And, while it would be a stretch, assembling a firearm after cleaning it could, in any plain reading of the words, come within the screwy definition of "illicit manufacturing."
2. "Firearm" has a similarly questionable definition.
"[A]ny other weapon" is a "firearm," according to the treaty -- and the term "weapon" is nowhere defined.
So, is a BB gun a "firearm"? Probably.
A toy gun? Possibly.
A pistol grip or firing pin? Probably. And who knows what else.
If these provisions (and others) become the law of the land, the Obama administration could have a heyday in enforcing them. Consider some of the other provisions in the treaty:
* Banning reloading. In Article IV of the treaty, countries commit to adopting "necessary legislative or other measures" to criminalize illicit manufacturing and trafficking in firearms.
Remember that "illicit manufacturing" includes reloading and modifying or assembling a firearm in any way. This would mean that the Obama administration could promulgate regulations banning reloading on the basis of this treaty -- just as it is currently circumventing Congress to write legislation taxing greenhouse gases.

* Banning gun clubs. Article IV goes on to state that the criminalized acts should include "association or conspiracy" in connection with said offenses -- which is arguably a term broad enough to allow, by regulation, the criminalization of entire pro-gun organizations or gun clubs, based on the facilities which they provide their membership.
* Extraditing US gun dealers. Article V requires each party to "adopt such measures as may be necessary to establish its jurisdiction over the offenses it has established in accordance with this Convention" under a variety of circumstances.
We know that Mexico is blaming U.S. gun dealers for the fact that its streets are flowing with blood. And we know it is possible for Mexico to define offenses "committed in its territory" in a very broad way. And we know that we have an extradition obligation under Article XIX of the proposed treaty. So we know that Mexico could try to use the treaty to demand to extradition of American gun dealers.
Under Article XXIX, if Mexico demands the extradition of a lawful American gun dealer, the U.S. would be required to resolve the dispute through "other means of peaceful settlement."
Does anyone want to risk twenty years in a sweltering Mexican jail on the proposition that the Obama administration would apply this provision in a pro-gun manner?
* Microstamping. Article VI requires "appropriate markings" on firearms. And, it is not inconceivable that this provision could be used to require microstamping of firearms and/or ammunition -- a requirement which is clearly intended to impose specifications which are not technologically possible or which are possible only at a prohibitively expensive cost.
* Gun registration. Article XI requires the maintenance of any records, for a "reasonable time," that the government determines to be necessary to trace firearms. This provision would almost certainly repeal portions of McClure-Volkmer and could arguably be used to require a national registry or database.

ACTION: Write your Senators and urge them to oppose the Inter-American Convention Against Illicit Manufacturing of and Trafficking in Firearms, Ammunition, Explosives, and Other Related Materials.
 

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Look at what happened in China, people fighting with rocks and sticks while the police and military pick them off like rats. It will be back to the bow and arrow for us, and all the good shit for the government. Fock Obama.
 

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Look at what happened in China, people fighting with rocks and sticks while the police and military pick them off like rats. It will be back to the bow and arrow for us, and all the good shit for the government. Fock Obama.
That's the first thing that Hitler did! I'm not comparing Obama to Hitler, I'm just sayin'...
 

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I really hate this guy:|err
 

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If it wasn't to disarm his greatest enemy - The American People - what else would such a move be trying to accomplish?

I've spoken to both military and law enforcement people alike and directly asked them how they are going to deal with me when they are commissioned to take my firearms away.
So far, the answer has been unanimous:

"Sir, I took an oath to defend the constitution of the United States, not the people in power. I'll be on your side of the bullets when they fly."
 

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When they pry them out of my cold dead hands... That includes brass, bullets, powder, press and dies... :|err
 

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If it wasn't to disarm his greatest enemy - The American People - what else would such a move be trying to accomplish?

I've spoken to both military and law enforcement people alike and directly asked them how they are going to deal with me when they are commissioned to take my firearms away.
So far, the answer has been unanimous:

"Sir, I took an oath to defend the constitution of the United States, not the people in power. I'll be on your side of the bullets when they fly."
I shoot with a lot of current military, ex-military, cops and ex-cops and they're ALL against these sweeping policies!
 

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All of these bills that Obama and his administration are introducing PROVES that he lied when campaigning! He stated ‘I’m Not Going to Take Your Guns Away’ Wall Street Journal September 5, 2008.

Our president is just another typical politician, a lying POS that cannot and should not be trusted, simple as that! Wake up people, this isn't the only thing that he's lying to us about!
 

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:mad: oh but remember, he is this great messiah who is gonna save us all, create millions of jobs, rise minorities to new heights, yada, yada, yada, this is just the tip of the iceberg !!!!!!!!!!!!!, we'll see how those that elected him feel in four years !!!!:mad::mad:
 

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When they pry them out of my cold dead hands... That includes brass, bullets, powder, press and dies... :|err

........................."X" focking "2"
 

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When is the majority of the public going to open their eyes and see what this guy is doing to our country....I cannot believe we have that many blind or dare I say IDIOTIC BRAIN DEAD citizens in this country......One day soon (Heaven forbid) it will be to late and when that day comes this blind majority is going to say WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO OUR RIGHTS......and we will say DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.....WERE YOU ASLEEP????????????????????..:|err:|err:):)punch
 

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When is the majority of the public going to open their eyes and see what this guy is doing to our country? . . .
When their welfare checks discontinue and not until then! Period! It's all working for them!
 

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The American Revolution was fought by only 25% of the population.
200 years ago my friend.

We would all be slaughtered like farm animals by the current military trying to take back our country.
 
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