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Mrs Infomaniac needs back surgery. Has had back surgery in the past. Can't get private health insurance without an exclusion for her back.

We are going to give O care a try. We have some $$ reserves (from selling the drag boat operation) and have reduced our pay to the lowest catagory for o care. less than 38,000 a year.

First try Blue cross and blue shield of Oklahoma. As it turns out no one will accept the O care version.

We are now narrowing it down to a few PPO plans and have verified the doctors will accept it.

One full year of premiums with deductible amount and max out of pocket is around 12k. A big chunk of the yearly salary.

Will see how it goes.

Don't expect any gov assistance due to OK not participating. Haven't actually finalized the application to see.
 

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It's a scary situation with the Supreme Court looking at O Care this year. No one has a clue what will happen if they vote either way. It is going to be AFU for quite a while either way. Good luck with the wife's back:))THumbsUp

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i didn't write this, found it.. Copy and paste. But still a good read


I'm a 54 year old consulting engineer and make between $60,000 and $125,000 per year, depending on how hard I work and whether or not there are work projects out there for me.

My girlfriend is 61 and makes about $18,000 per year, working as a part-time mail clerk.
For me, making $60,000 a year, under ObamaCare, the cheapest, lowest grade policy I can buy, which also happens to impose a $5,000 deductible, costs $482 per month.
For my girlfriend, the same exact policy, same deductible, costs $1 per month. That's right, $1 per month. I'm not making this up.
Don't believe me? Just go to [url]www.coveredca.gov[/URL] , the ObamaCare website for California and enter the parameters I've mentioned above and see for yourself. By the way, my zip code is 93940. You'll need to enter that.
So OK, clearly ObamaCare is a scheme that involves putting the cost burden of healthcare onto the middle and upper-income wage earners. But there's a lot more to it. Stick with me.
And before I make my next points, I'd like you to think about something:



I live in Monterey County, in Central California. We have a large land mass but just 426,000 residents - about the population of Colorado Springs or the city of Omaha.

But we do have a large Hispanic population, including a large number of illegal aliens, and to serve this group we have Natividad Medical Center, a massive, Federally subsidized county medical complex that takes up an area about one-third the size of the Chrysler Corporation automobile assembly plant in Belvedere, Illinois (see Google Earth View). Natividad has state-of-the-art operating rooms, Computed Tomography and Magnetic Resonance Imaging, fully equipped, 24 hour emergency room, and much more. If you have no insurance, if you've been in a drive-by shooting or have overdosed on crack cocaine, this is where you go. And it's essentially free, because almost everyone who ends up in the ER is uninsured.
Last year, 2,735 babies were born at Natividad. 32% of these were born to out-of-wedlock teenage mothers, 93% of which were Hispanic. Less than 20% could demonstrate proof of citizenship, and 71% listed their native language as Spanish. Of these 876 births, only 40 were covered under [any kind of] private health insurance. The taxpayers paid for the other 836. And in case you were wondering about the entire population - all 2,735 births - less than 24% involved insured coverage or even partial payment on behalf of the patient to the hospital in exchange for services. Keep this in mind as we move forward.
Now consider this:
If I want to upgrade my policy to a low-deductible premium policy, such as what I had with my last employer, my cost is $886 per month. But my girlfriend can upgrade her policy to the very same level, for just $4 per month. That's right, $4 per month. $48 per year for a zero-deductible, premium healthcare policy - the kind of thing you get when you work at IBM (except of course, IBM employees pay an average of $170 per month out of pocket for their coverage).
I mean, it's bad enough that I will be forced to subsidize the ObamaCare scheme in the first place. But even if I agreed with the basic scheme, which of course I do not, I wouldnever agree to subsidize premium policies. If I have to pay $482 a month for a budget policy, I sure as hell do not want the guy I'm subsidizing to get a better policy, for less that 1% of what I have to fork out each month for a low-end policy.





Why must I pay $482 per month for something the other guy gets for a dollar? And why should the other guy get to buy an $886 policy for $4 a month? Think about this: I have to pay $10,632 a year for the same thing that the other guy can get for $48. $10,000 of net income is 60 days of full time work as an engineer . $48 is something I could could pay for collecting aluminum cans and plastic bottles, one day a month.




Are you with me on this? Are you starting to get an idea what ObamaCare is really about?




ObamaCare is not about dealing with inequities in the healthcare system. That's just the cover story. The real story is that it is a massive, political power grab. Do you think anyone who can insure himself with a premium policy for $4 a month will vote for anyone but the political party that provides him such a deal? ObamaCare is about enabling, subsizdizing, and expanding the Left's political power base, at taxpayer expense. Why would I vote for anyone but a Democrat if I can have babies for $4 a month? For that matter, why would I go to college or strive for a better job or income if it means I have to pay real money for healthcare coverage? Heck, why study engineering when I can be a schlub for $20K per year and buy a new F-150 with all the money I'm saving? And think about those $4-a-month babies - think in terms of propagation models. Think of just how many babies will be born to irresponsible, under-educated mothers. Will we get a new crop of brain surgeons and particle physicists from the dollar baby club, or will we need more cops, criminal courts and prisons? One thing you can be certain of: At $4 a month, they'll multiply, and multiply, and multiply.




ObamaCare: It's all about political power.
 

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i didn't write this, found it.. Copy and paste. But still a good read


I'm a 54 year old consulting engineer and make between $60,000 and $125,000 per year, depending on how hard I work and whether or not there are work projects out there for me.

My girlfriend is 61 and makes about $18,000 per year, working as a part-time mail clerk.
For me, making $60,000 a year, under ObamaCare, the cheapest, lowest grade policy I can buy, which also happens to impose a $5,000 deductible, costs $482 per month.
For my girlfriend, the same exact policy, same deductible, costs $1 per month. That's right, $1 per month. I'm not making this up.
Don't believe me? Just go to [url]www.coveredca.gov[/URL] , the ObamaCare website for California and enter the parameters I've mentioned above and see for yourself. By the way, my zip code is 93940. You'll need to enter that.
So OK, clearly ObamaCare is a scheme that involves putting the cost burden of healthcare onto the middle and upper-income wage earners. But there's a lot more to it. Stick with me.
And before I make my next points, I'd like you to think about something:



I live in Monterey County, in Central California. We have a large land mass but just 426,000 residents - about the population of Colorado Springs or the city of Omaha.

But we do have a large Hispanic population, including a large number of illegal aliens, and to serve this group we have Natividad Medical Center, a massive, Federally subsidized county medical complex that takes up an area about one-third the size of the Chrysler Corporation automobile assembly plant in Belvedere, Illinois (see Google Earth View). Natividad has state-of-the-art operating rooms, Computed Tomography and Magnetic Resonance Imaging, fully equipped, 24 hour emergency room, and much more. If you have no insurance, if you've been in a drive-by shooting or have overdosed on crack cocaine, this is where you go. And it's essentially free, because almost everyone who ends up in the ER is uninsured.
Last year, 2,735 babies were born at Natividad. 32% of these were born to out-of-wedlock teenage mothers, 93% of which were Hispanic. Less than 20% could demonstrate proof of citizenship, and 71% listed their native language as Spanish. Of these 876 births, only 40 were covered under [any kind of] private health insurance. The taxpayers paid for the other 836. And in case you were wondering about the entire population - all 2,735 births - less than 24% involved insured coverage or even partial payment on behalf of the patient to the hospital in exchange for services. Keep this in mind as we move forward.
Now consider this:
If I want to upgrade my policy to a low-deductible premium policy, such as what I had with my last employer, my cost is $886 per month. But my girlfriend can upgrade her policy to the very same level, for just $4 per month. That's right, $4 per month. $48 per year for a zero-deductible, premium healthcare policy - the kind of thing you get when you work at IBM (except of course, IBM employees pay an average of $170 per month out of pocket for their coverage).
I mean, it's bad enough that I will be forced to subsidize the ObamaCare scheme in the first place. But even if I agreed with the basic scheme, which of course I do not, I wouldnever agree to subsidize premium policies. If I have to pay $482 a month for a budget policy, I sure as hell do not want the guy I'm subsidizing to get a better policy, for less that 1% of what I have to fork out each month for a low-end policy.





Why must I pay $482 per month for something the other guy gets for a dollar? And why should the other guy get to buy an $886 policy for $4 a month? Think about this: I have to pay $10,632 a year for the same thing that the other guy can get for $48. $10,000 of net income is 60 days of full time work as an engineer . $48 is something I could could pay for collecting aluminum cans and plastic bottles, one day a month.




Are you with me on this? Are you starting to get an idea what ObamaCare is really about?




ObamaCare is not about dealing with inequities in the healthcare system. That's just the cover story. The real story is that it is a massive, political power grab. Do you think anyone who can insure himself with a premium policy for $4 a month will vote for anyone but the political party that provides him such a deal? ObamaCare is about enabling, subsizdizing, and expanding the Left's political power base, at taxpayer expense. Why would I vote for anyone but a Democrat if I can have babies for $4 a month? For that matter, why would I go to college or strive for a better job or income if it means I have to pay real money for healthcare coverage? Heck, why study engineering when I can be a schlub for $20K per year and buy a new F-150 with all the money I'm saving? And think about those $4-a-month babies - think in terms of propagation models. Think of just how many babies will be born to irresponsible, under-educated mothers. Will we get a new crop of brain surgeons and particle physicists from the dollar baby club, or will we need more cops, criminal courts and prisons? One thing you can be certain of: At $4 a month, they'll multiply, and multiply, and multiply.




ObamaCare: It's all about political power.
Thanks for the read....not sure many of us on this forum are surprised.
An article many of my, totally oblivious friends, should endure. Possibly moving their "Lazy Ass" to the voting booth.
 

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Hey info, I hear about this great health care some where up north. Canada I think it is called! ;)

Seriously I hope you find the care you and your wife need.

No doubt O care is about control. What, of over 15% of the nation's economy?

But what isn't about control with the liberal Democrat... EPA? IRS? Climate Change? :)sphss
 

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As of today, less than 4% of America is enrolled in Obamacare and the government thinks this is a victory. What makes things worse, is that 85% of those enrolled, receive some sort of subsidies. Do the math. It's far worse than a Ponzi scheme. :duh::duh:
 

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I was sitting in the ruematologist waiting room yesterday morning.

An older lady and an even older couple were sitting there also. The solo lady mentioned that the entire staff had been turned over in the last few months. We theorized the reasons why and it came out that the lady was a social services worker who helped people with obtaining medical treatment.

Now, at this point I drew back because I assumed that she would NOT agree with my position on the complete farce that is Ocare.
Boy was I wrong!!!
she launched into a 5 minute tirade of just how screwed up Covered CA and Ocare is.
Her job has been an impossible nightmare ever since Ocare was implemented occording to her.
 

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I was sitting in the ruematologist waiting room yesterday morning.

An older lady and an even older couple were sitting there also. The solo lady mentioned that the entire staff had been turned over in the last few months. We theorized the reasons why and it came out that the lady was a social services worker who helped people with obtaining medical treatment.

Now, at this point I drew back because I assumed that she would NOT agree with my position on the complete farce that is Ocare.
Boy was I wrong!!!
she launched into a 5 minute tirade of just how screwed up Covered CA and Ocare is.
Her job has been an impossible nightmare ever since Ocare was implemented occording to her.
Sounds like O care is going right as planned. :)sphss
 

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INFO- I hope you and your wife can get the coverage and treatment you're looking for.
Insurance is and has been screwed up for a long time and hasn't been getting better for anyone that I know.
Good Luck.



Now for the rest of the narrow minded, uneducated that want to get on the bandwagon regarding Obama care and haven't thought it out,
the posted example by Blown86Hallett may or may not true. With it being on the internet, who knows who created it or why.

Here is something to consider. Anyone who goes to a medical facility with an emergency, gets treated now, no matter what.
The medical facility cannot refuse the treatment.
The gunshot gets treated, the baby gets delivered and the broken arm gets treatment.
That's the law, and its been that way for many years, it isn't new.

Who pays for it? The State, that's you and me.
Whether it's Obamacare or the individual State, it's still paid for by tax dollars unless the individual has insurance.
Obamacare does offer some additional coverages, but not many.

Sure, there will be some additional expense, but there are so many situations where minor treatments can benefit people
and make their lives better. In some cases it may even allow them to become productive individuals.

Sure there will be isolated situations where someone abuses or takes advantage, but hopefully not too many.
I don't want to pay for others insurance, but if it helps individuals get basic health care to live a better life, I'll pay a few bucks.
We live in America and claim to be the greatest country in the world, yet many people here can't get basic medical treatment.
How can we call ourselves the greatest, when there are citizens that have simple illnesses, but can't get treatment?

I see a bunch of selfish people out there who appear to not care about anyone but themselves.
You don't think that when Social Security started, people said the same thing, I'll look out for myself.
It isn't perfect, but for many, it's a good thing it exists.

I'm sure I'll be called a LIBTARD, SOCIALIST OR SOMETHING ELSE, SO HAVE AT IT.
 

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How about we just call you someone who thinks way too much of HIS opinion and who thinks he knows the facts with out knowing any of the facts. You seem to get your information right off the DNC web sight talking points. Opinion (yours) based on emotion, void of facts! If you were interested, the facts of who is paying for Obama care and how much premiums are rising on us payers are readily available.

Obamacare Has Failed To Collapse -- But Its Premiums Continue To Climb - Forbes
 

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How about we just call you someone who thinks way too much of HIS opinion and who thinks he knows the facts with out knowing any of the facts. You seem to get your information right off the DNC web sight talking points. Opinion (yours) based on emotion, void of facts! If you were interested, the facts of who is paying for Obama care and how much premiums are rising on us payers are readily available.

Obamacare Has Failed To Collapse -- But Its Premiums Continue To Climb - Forbes

I'm not sure what your point is.
Yes, I have my opinions and you have yours.

Could they be wrong - yes, could they be right - yes.
Could yours be wrong - yes, could they be right - yes.
Maybe some of both?

Again, what's your point, as you haven't really provided an opinion?
FYI, I don't get my opinions from the DNC web site, but then I doubt you have any idea what the DNC web site says.
Do you have a better alternative, I'm open to ideas, but something needed to be done in this country about health care and it wasn't.

But, thanks for sharing your thoughts. You are entitled to your opinion too.
I just haven't figured out what it was.
 

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The simple and logical way to look at this....

We can just add Obama Care to the "List" of the major Federal social programs currently in place and we know how well these programs are working. Why would anyone think Obama Care will not follow in the wake of these failures? Hell, the government could not even build a fucking website, let alone manage the nations health care. To think other wise, by definition, is insanity.

• public schools
• Social Security
• Amtrak
• Postal Service
• Veterans Administration
• military
• Medicaid
• public housing projects
• prisons
• Indian reservations
How are these programs working out for us? NOTE: These are the same people who are now managing our Health Care... :duh:
Now we have added Obama Care to this list..... :bangmyhead:
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. :)sphss

Logical Conclusion: For decades, our nation's policies/programs regarding our general welfare have been under the control and implemented by groups of "insane" individuals. :hmmm:
 

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INFO- I hope you and your wife can get the coverage and treatment you're looking for.
Insurance is and has been screwed up for a long time and hasn't been getting better for anyone that I know.
Good Luck.



Now for the rest of the narrow minded, uneducated that want to get on the bandwagon regarding Obama care and haven't thought it out,
the posted example by Blown86Hallett may or may not true. With it being on the internet, who knows who created it or why.

Here is something to consider. Anyone who goes to a medical facility with an emergency, gets treated now, no matter what.
The medical facility cannot refuse the treatment.
The gunshot gets treated, the baby gets delivered and the broken arm gets treatment.
That's the law, and its been that way for many years, it isn't new.

Who pays for it? The State, that's you and me.
Whether it's Obamacare or the individual State, it's still paid for by tax dollars unless the individual has insurance.
Obamacare does offer some additional coverages, but not many.

Sure, there will be some additional expense, but there are so many situations where minor treatments can benefit people
and make their lives better. In some cases it may even allow them to become productive individuals.

Sure there will be isolated situations where someone abuses or takes advantage, but hopefully not too many.
I don't want to pay for others insurance, but if it helps individuals get basic health care to live a better life, I'll pay a few bucks.
We live in America and claim to be the greatest country in the world, yet many people here can't get basic medical treatment.
How can we call ourselves the greatest, when there are citizens that have simple illnesses, but can't get treatment?

I see a bunch of selfish people out there who appear to not care about anyone but themselves.
You don't think that when Social Security started, people said the same thing, I'll look out for myself.
It isn't perfect, but for many, it's a good thing it exists.

I'm sure I'll be called a LIBTARD, SOCIALIST OR SOMETHING ELSE, SO HAVE AT IT.
selfish???
go fuck yourself you ignorant blow hard.

Try thinking about
the fact that in your post you mixed up coverage and care how many times??

the last 2 years of my life has been a complete immersion into the health care and coverage system, and definitely not by choice. I've watched people in the chemo centers disappear, seen them forced out of the CARE they were recieving due to the great COVERAGE they were forced into.
We have grandfathered individual policies...for now... and it is the ONLY reason my wife is alive today.

Your examples of emergency situations pertain to Ocare not one iota. Millions have been forced out of their coverages, and then out of their quality care networks all for the political showmanship of one man, and the benifit ( which is no benifit at all since the actual care is not forthcoming) of coverage for a relative handful of people that , by your own statement, already had services available.

Tread lightly who you call selfish you ignorant fuck. It is PURE SELFISHNESS that created your precious pos Ocare.
 

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Now for the rest of the narrow minded, uneducated that want to get on the bandwagon regarding Obama care and haven't thought it out
You are a fucking moron. As far as uneducated... LOL!!! Haven't thought it out? Shit I am paying enough for health insurance right now. Matter of fact, my business pays for its employees' health insurance as well. If it were not for them being grandfathered, it would be difficult to afford. And I am sure I would have to make some cuts. But fuck people and businesses, right? After all to get where we are, we had to screw the little guy. :)sphss

How about all the companies that are cutting full time help to part time to avoid this travesty called O Care? What about them?

Sure, there will be some additional expense, but there are so many situations where minor treatments can benefit people
and make their lives better. In some cases it may even allow them to become productive individuals.

Sure there will be isolated situations where someone abuses or takes advantage, but hopefully not too many.
I can tell you that is not the case here in my state. We have a charity hospital system as well as heath units all over the state to take care of immunizations, coughs, colds, early pregnancies (and there are a lot of those in the welfare sector) etc, etc. The old line about "people going with out" is a farce perpetuated by liberal lies.

So taking some one in and giving them free health care is going to allow some to become productive citizens? Like when? Like before they came in for treatment? LMFAO!!! You are a special kind of stupid, aren't you? I can tell you that is just more liberal propaganda to support your flawed cause.

"hopefully not to many". Yea and hopefully there are not too many illegals in this country that ignorant morons like you want to grant citizenship.

We live in America and claim to be the greatest country in the world, yet many people here can't get basic medical treatment.
How can we call ourselves the greatest, when there are citizens that have simple illnesses, but can't get treatment?
I heard from you liberals that the US was no longer the greatest nation, so what standards do we hold ourselves to now? What we needed was insurance reform and taking care of existing conditions. Not a total over haul that puts 15% MORE of our economy controlled by the Obama regime. I have heard from too many sources of doctors either retiring early or NOT participating in O Care. Like to those that refuse to jump through the hoops to be able to treat people with Medi-Care, etc. I wonder what the end result in that will be? Fewer physicians is not what we need, but it's what we are getting.

I see a bunch of selfish people out there who appear to not care about anyone but themselves.
You don't think that when Social Security started, people said the same thing, I'll look out for myself.
It isn't perfect, but for many, it's a good thing it exists.
You are a repetitive bastard, aren't you? Social Security isn't broken? Well that is a new one on me. Don't dare take your rose colored glasses off for you will not like what you see.
 

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We can just add Obama Care to the "List" of the major Federal social programs currently in place and we know how well these programs are working. Why would anyone think Obama Care will not follow in the wake of these failures? Hell, the government could not even build a fucking website, let alone manage the nations health care. To think other wise, by definition, is insanity.

• public schools
• Social Security
• Amtrak
• Postal Service
• Veterans Administration
• military
• Medicaid
• public housing projects
• prisons
• Indian reservations
How are these programs working out for us? NOTE: These are the same people who are now managing our Health Care... :duh:
Now we have added Obama Care to this list..... :bangmyhead:
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. :)sphss

Logical Conclusion: For decades, our nation's policies/programs regarding our general welfare have been under the control and implemented by groups of "insane" individuals. :hmmm:

Damn, we agree on something. Welcome to the Liberal side. LOL

But, these programs are not just Democrat or Republican programs. The blame lies with those who developed the programs.
Most or all of the programs are needed, just as I think there is a need for healthcare reform. No one in the past has had the balls to
Initiate anything. Obamacare or something similar is/was needed. Far to many individuals suffered because they fell through the cracks
and thats a shame in a Nation as great as we are.

I don't have answers for many of the problems, partly because when you listen to both sides, both have valid points in most cases and there are no simple answers.

Logical Conclusion: For decades, our nation's policies/programs regarding our general welfare have been under the control and implemented by groups of "insane" individuals. :hmmm:
 

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Damn, we agree on something. Welcome to the Liberal side. LOL

But, these programs are not just Democrat or Republican programs. The blame lies with those who developed the programs.
Most or all of the programs are needed, just as I think there is a need for healthcare reform. No one in the past has had the balls to
Initiate anything. Obamacare or something similar is/was needed. Far to many individuals suffered because they fell through the cracks
and thats a shame in a Nation as great as we are.

I don't have answers for many of the problems, partly because when you listen to both sides, both have valid points in most cases and there are no simple answers.

Logical Conclusion: For decades, our nation's policies/programs regarding our general welfare have been under the control and implemented by groups of "insane" individuals. :hmmm:
Why do you believe Obama Care will NOT follow these footsteps of failure?

• public schools
• Social Security
• Amtrak
• Postal Service
• Veterans Administration
• military
• Medicaid
• public housing projects
• prisons
• Indian reservations
 

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Why do you believe Obama Care will NOT follow these footsteps of failure?

• public schools
• Social Security
• Amtrak
• Postal Service
• Veterans Administration
• military
• Medicaid
• public housing projects
• prisons
• Indian reservations

That's an interesting way to pose the question.
But I'll reply this way, I have no reason to think that it will be any better than some or maybe all of services you mentioned, which don't seem to have good track records.
I do believe it's something that needs to be done though. It is beyond belief there are individuals, good individual that cannot get reasonable health care in this country.
There are elderly, children and many in between, suffering, that could be treated with simple medications or treatments that could change their live so much, with just some help.
Sometimes circumstances places individuals in temporary situations where they cannot afford commercial insurance and don't qualify for current government help.
I have a hard time living with knowing that.
There is so much wealth in this country, that allowing the situation to continue is beyond my understanding.
How much money is spent for weapons to kill people does this country spend? We have people able to spend $16,000 for a single Superbowl ticket, there are athletes making 100s of millions of dollars and we still have people that
can't get treatment or see a doctor, because they can't afford it.

I have no doubt that Obamacare will be an overly expensive program, few if any of the programs are efficiently run.
I hear people saying they shouldn't have to by insurance if they don't want too, but if they don't have insurance and get injured or have a life threatening illness,
those same individuals will expect and they will get treatment and the taxpayers still end up paying.
I can't say I like it, but I think it is overdue for this country.

Of the programs you have listed, we all pay for them. I don't want to pay for most of those programs either, as I don't have a need or use them.
But, it doesn't work that way.

I don't know where your list of programs came from, but I did find one on the list interesting. That would be Indian reservations. I assume you have something in mind when it got listed and so I am curious, why.
I don't claim Indian status, so it's purely out of curiosity that I ask.
Of all those who should have rights or legitimate complaints about our Government, it would be the American Indians. After all, it was the white dudes that took their land, located the worst land the whites didn't want and forced the Indians to live there and called it a Reservation.
If anyone has a right to claim this as their land and tell everyone to get the hell out, it would be the Indians. IMO

Maybe it's poetic justice, but a lot of that crappy land called a reservation turned out to have oil, uranium or a good place to put Casinos.:))THumbsUp
Who knew?
 

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These United States were NEVER intended to be all things for all people nor PROVIDE all thing to all people...... life just does not work that way....maybe in the fantasy land known as Utopia, or in communist China, but not here. We offer Freedom, Liberty and the opportunities for individuals to be all they can be..... of course some choose to sit at home and cry for help.

We as a Nation have have a history of not turning our backs on ANY individuals (other than our Veterans) who are honestly in need of any assistance........ And don't be so damn naive, Obama Care was NEVER about health care, it was simply the Democrats awaiting scheme to take advantage of their House and Senate numbers and harness approximately 1/6 of our nations economy and hand it over to the very ones who can't manage the other programs we have discussed. Obama Care is by far the most detrimental and costly piece of legislation to have ever been passed by our Congress......voted through on the heels of "scum bag" and "nasty bribery deals" they had to make in order to buy the needed Democrat votes. Even a few responsible Democrats were wise enough to realize how reckless Obama Care was, but they sold out, and many of these Democrats are now sitting at home as their own constituents said "Fuck You!" Passing Obama Care was pure insanity and the Democrats managed to implement this insane legislation due to those individuals who are of the same mind set as you. Your ass was bought and sold and you are too naive to see that truth!

Was there a need to tweak our health care system, HELL YES, but implementing Obama Care was like killing an annoying mosquito with a Nuke!
The awaiting collateral damages and fall out will be long coming and limitless.
 

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These United States were NEVER intended to be all things for all people nor PROVIDE all thing to all people...... life just does not work that way....maybe in the fantasy land known as Utopia, or in communist China, but not here. We offer Freedom, Liberty and the opportunities for individuals to be all they can be..... of course some choose to sit at home and cry for help.

We as a Nation have have a history of not turning our backs on ANY individuals (other than our Veterans) who are honestly in need of any assistance........ And don't be so damn naive, Obama Care was NEVER about health care, it was simply the Democrats awaiting scheme to take advantage of their House and Senate numbers and harness approximately 1/6 of our nations economy and hand it over to the very ones who can't manage the other programs we have discussed. Obama Care is by far the most detrimental and costly piece of legislation to have ever been passed by our Congress......voted through on the heels of "scum bag" and "nasty bribery deals" they had to make in order to buy the needed Democrat votes. Even a few responsible Democrats were wise enough to realize how reckless Obama Care was, but they sold out, and many of these Democrats are now sitting at home as their own constituents said "Fuck You!" Passing Obama Care was pure insanity and the Democrats managed to implement this insane legislation due to those individuals who are of the same mind set as you. Your ass was bought and sold and you are too naive to see that truth!

Was there a need to tweak our health care system, HELL YES, but implementing Obama Care was like killing an annoying mosquito with a Nuke!
The awaiting collateral damages and fall out will be long coming and limitless.

These United States were NEVER intended to be all things for all people nor PROVIDE all thing to all people
I've never heard anyone say that it was.

We as a Nation have a history of not turning our backs on ANY individuals
That's B.S. and you know it.

Obama Care was NEVER about health care, it was simply the Democrats awaiting scheme to take advantage of their House and Senate numbers
I guess that you know more than the House and Senate combined (Democrats and Republicans), that's pretty amazing.

WOW, "Your ass was bought and sold and you are too naive to see that truth!"

And that truth would be according to who? YOU?..:cowdodo:

You ask for my opinion, and I politely provided it. Apparently you didn't like it.
Then you felt it appropriate to go into a TIRADE for some reason. It was just an opinion dude.
I've tried to be civil with you, it seems there are some people who get their feelings hurt when someone doesn't agree with them or asks them to explain their position, particularly when they can't support it.
You seem terribly unhappy, seek help before you hurt someone or yourself.
 

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These United States were NEVER intended to be all things for all people nor PROVIDE all thing to all people
I've never heard anyone say that it was.

We as a Nation have a history of not turning our backs on ANY individuals
That's B.S. and you know it.

Obama Care was NEVER about health care, it was simply the Democrats awaiting scheme to take advantage of their House and Senate numbers
I guess that you know more than the House and Senate combined (Democrats and Republicans), that's pretty amazing.

WOW, "Your ass was bought and sold and you are too naive to see that truth!"

And that truth would be according to who? YOU?..:cowdodo:

You ask for my opinion, and I politely provided it. Apparently you didn't like it.
Then you felt it appropriate to go into a TIRADE for some reason. It was just an opinion dude.
I've tried to be civil with you, it seems there are some people who get their feelings hurt when someone doesn't agree with them or asks them to explain their position, particularly when they can't support it.
You seem terribly unhappy, seek help before you hurt someone or yourself.
This dude makes CVX look like Albert Einstein...
 
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