Joined
·
673 Posts
Obamacare or ACA?
1 - 20 of 21 Posts
Joined
·
25,975 Posts
Never underestimate the ignorance of the average American
100% free webcam site! | Awesome chicks and it is absolutely free! | Watch free live sex cam - easy as 1-2-3
Joined
·
15,853 Posts
I only wish it was live TV and they would've stopped me for these questions.
Joined
·
1,139 Posts
Seems to be more related to manipulation and marketing.
To be technical though we could do this with anything, Obamacare has been defined and talked about as such for over three years and never refered to as ACA until we got close to opening day. When it became clear that it was going to flop the effort started to un-hitch the legislation from Obama and revert back to Affordable Care Act. Now, the very name "Affordable Care" Act is a marketing ploy that is used everyday in retail business called advertising, the name sounds good and is extremely low radar, while emplying something beneficial. To go further, the legislation that was passed as ACA/Obamacare was changed some 16 times by the president so we do have a difference in what each represents.
A good example is 'NOW', National Organization of Women...its really the National organization of (Liberal) Women
Now, would you like to join the Happy Muslims of America non-profit?
To be technical though we could do this with anything, Obamacare has been defined and talked about as such for over three years and never refered to as ACA until we got close to opening day. When it became clear that it was going to flop the effort started to un-hitch the legislation from Obama and revert back to Affordable Care Act. Now, the very name "Affordable Care" Act is a marketing ploy that is used everyday in retail business called advertising, the name sounds good and is extremely low radar, while emplying something beneficial. To go further, the legislation that was passed as ACA/Obamacare was changed some 16 times by the president so we do have a difference in what each represents.
A good example is 'NOW', National Organization of Women...its really the National organization of (Liberal) Women
Now, would you like to join the Happy Muslims of America non-profit?
Joined
·
25,975 Posts
No doubt about it, there is some interesting play on words with this whole thing.
Did you notice the majority of the people in that vid were anti Obamacare, and some even called it socialist, but ACA wasn't(as much).
Have you noticed even the politicians are playing the name game. Republicans are refusing to fund OBAMACARE, and the dems are holding out for funding of ACA. Even the dimbulb politicians know Obamacare is dead in the water with the American public, and would never stand for a fight over that. So, they now refer to it as ACA only.
What happen to Barry being "proud" of it being called Obamacare during the election debates?
100% free webcam site! | Awesome chicks and it is absolutely free! | Watch free live sex cam - easy as 1-2-3
Did you notice the majority of the people in that vid were anti Obamacare, and some even called it socialist, but ACA wasn't(as much).
Have you noticed even the politicians are playing the name game. Republicans are refusing to fund OBAMACARE, and the dems are holding out for funding of ACA. Even the dimbulb politicians know Obamacare is dead in the water with the American public, and would never stand for a fight over that. So, they now refer to it as ACA only.
What happen to Barry being "proud" of it being called Obamacare during the election debates?
100% free webcam site! | Awesome chicks and it is absolutely free! | Watch free live sex cam - easy as 1-2-3
Joined
·
12,743 Posts
Yep! I didn't know what ACA stood for when I first saw it... Had to google... :54:
But you know how the libtards roll, smoke, mirrors, and other trickery.
But you know how the libtards roll, smoke, mirrors, and other trickery.
Joined
·
25,975 Posts
One thing is for sure, There are some hostile boyz in the hood that are not at all happy with this forced ACA crap and want their free Obamacare back.
When the riots in the streets start, what is Barry going to tell them?
100% free webcam site! | Awesome chicks and it is absolutely free! | Watch free live sex cam - easy as 1-2-3
When the riots in the streets start, what is Barry going to tell them?
100% free webcam site! | Awesome chicks and it is absolutely free! | Watch free live sex cam - easy as 1-2-3
Joined
·
1,139 Posts
Sorry guys but I have to do it,.....George Bush was elected twice and brought the disgusting philosophy of "Compassionate Conservative" to the stage. I strongly believe that had Bush been a conservative the country would not have been primed for Obama's socialism, did someone really think that the socialists were going to let the Republicans corner the market on being COMPASIONATE (fake)?
Joined
·
8,170 Posts
Joined
·
16,888 Posts
I don't know why the Republican party doesnt run commercials pointing out how the potus changed ACA illegally and they would settle for removing all of the special favors given and pass it through. It will fail on it's own.
Joined
·
12,743 Posts
He was weak in many ways! He surely wasn't a "conservative's conservative".
They are a bunch of politically correct pussies that have had their spines removed. Most of them anyway...
Joined
·
2,426 Posts
I've never understood this either. They get their message out about as well as a bunch of 4th graders passing a note. Maybe it's a money thing, Democrat's will just raise someone's taxes to pay for the air time.
Joined
·
8,170 Posts
ObamaCare to shift costs of some prisoner health coverage from states to feds | Fox News
ObamaCare may have its skeptics, but one group is decidedly optimistic -- prison inmates.
"At least 50 percent of the [prison] population has symptoms of mental health disorders," said Brad Brockmann, executive director of the Center for Prisoner Health and Human Rights at Brown University. "With Medicaid expansion, we have an incredible opportunity to take care of the very neediest, the very poorest while freeing up huge amounts of money within the states through not having to provide that care in correctional settings."
The Eighth Amendment guarantees adequate medical care for prisoners -- often an expensive undertaking because many battle addiction and have serious mental health issues. Currently, counties and states pay for that care. But in January, when the Affordable Care Act expands Medicaid coverage to men living below the poverty line, the cost of this care shifts to the feds.
"That's one of the reason why you're seeing a lot of Republican governors support the Medicaid expansion because for them, it's a fiscal windfall," said Avik Roy, a senior fellow with the Manhattan Institute for Policy Research. "They will be able to offload these costs to the federal government that currently they're paying for."
State and county prisoners who need acute care outside a prison facility can also have that cost reimbursed by Medicaid.
"That's a substantial savings for the county and local system," Brockmann said.
Consider the projected savings in California: for the 2014-2015 fiscal year, the Legislative Analyst's Office projects a federal reimbursement of more than $70 million dollars, which is more than double the $21 million in funds it received for the 2011-2012 fiscal year.
But overall, counties stand to see the biggest financial windfall. Currently, counties are responsible for inmate care. However, under Obamacare, counties will have the authority to charge insurance purchased through the state exchange for inmates awaiting trial.
"An individual who's awaiting trial [...] would still be in the community and would be able to retain his or her benefits," Brockmann said.
To help shift the cost burden, counties and states across the country are working to make sure inmates entering and exiting their jails are signed up for coverage either through the state exchange or with expanded Medicaid.
"That streamlining of the eligibility criteria for Medicaid makes it much easier for states and localities to offload their health care," Roy said.
That means the cost is dispersed to all federal taxpayers -- even those in states who opted out of the Medicaid program.
"If you choose not to expand the Medicaid program, you're saving your state taxpayers a fair amount of money," Roy said, "but that means that the federal expenditures on Medicaid are going to other states."
So in essence, money from taxpayers in the states who opted out of Medicaid, like Texas, will see it go towards the care of inmates in the states that did opt in, like California.
"That's one of the moral dilemmas of the Medicaid expansion generally," Avik said. "Should taxpayers be required to spend a fair amount of money -- because this is a very expensive program -- on the costs of health care for these inmates?"
But prison advocates predict this could have long term cost savings for prison systems because treatment may reduce recidivism rates or even prevent incarceration in the first place. Brockmann cites a 2004 program in Texas that introduced community treatment and addiction programs. The state saw a 10 percent drop in crime and a savings of $2 billion over 5 years. Brockmann theorizes there is the potential for similar outcome because some people more at risk of incarceration will receive treatment under the new state exchanges and Medicaid guidelines.
ObamaCare may have its skeptics, but one group is decidedly optimistic -- prison inmates.
"At least 50 percent of the [prison] population has symptoms of mental health disorders," said Brad Brockmann, executive director of the Center for Prisoner Health and Human Rights at Brown University. "With Medicaid expansion, we have an incredible opportunity to take care of the very neediest, the very poorest while freeing up huge amounts of money within the states through not having to provide that care in correctional settings."
The Eighth Amendment guarantees adequate medical care for prisoners -- often an expensive undertaking because many battle addiction and have serious mental health issues. Currently, counties and states pay for that care. But in January, when the Affordable Care Act expands Medicaid coverage to men living below the poverty line, the cost of this care shifts to the feds.
"That's one of the reason why you're seeing a lot of Republican governors support the Medicaid expansion because for them, it's a fiscal windfall," said Avik Roy, a senior fellow with the Manhattan Institute for Policy Research. "They will be able to offload these costs to the federal government that currently they're paying for."
State and county prisoners who need acute care outside a prison facility can also have that cost reimbursed by Medicaid.
"That's a substantial savings for the county and local system," Brockmann said.
Consider the projected savings in California: for the 2014-2015 fiscal year, the Legislative Analyst's Office projects a federal reimbursement of more than $70 million dollars, which is more than double the $21 million in funds it received for the 2011-2012 fiscal year.
But overall, counties stand to see the biggest financial windfall. Currently, counties are responsible for inmate care. However, under Obamacare, counties will have the authority to charge insurance purchased through the state exchange for inmates awaiting trial.
"An individual who's awaiting trial [...] would still be in the community and would be able to retain his or her benefits," Brockmann said.
To help shift the cost burden, counties and states across the country are working to make sure inmates entering and exiting their jails are signed up for coverage either through the state exchange or with expanded Medicaid.
"That streamlining of the eligibility criteria for Medicaid makes it much easier for states and localities to offload their health care," Roy said.
That means the cost is dispersed to all federal taxpayers -- even those in states who opted out of the Medicaid program.
"If you choose not to expand the Medicaid program, you're saving your state taxpayers a fair amount of money," Roy said, "but that means that the federal expenditures on Medicaid are going to other states."
So in essence, money from taxpayers in the states who opted out of Medicaid, like Texas, will see it go towards the care of inmates in the states that did opt in, like California.
"That's one of the moral dilemmas of the Medicaid expansion generally," Avik said. "Should taxpayers be required to spend a fair amount of money -- because this is a very expensive program -- on the costs of health care for these inmates?"
But prison advocates predict this could have long term cost savings for prison systems because treatment may reduce recidivism rates or even prevent incarceration in the first place. Brockmann cites a 2004 program in Texas that introduced community treatment and addiction programs. The state saw a 10 percent drop in crime and a savings of $2 billion over 5 years. Brockmann theorizes there is the potential for similar outcome because some people more at risk of incarceration will receive treatment under the new state exchanges and Medicaid guidelines.
Joined
·
1,139 Posts
The fact that 50% of prison populations have medical needs that landed them in prison is a testament on how the system is broken. The entire large scale mental health system was collapsed some time ago for atrocities to patients and costs, the fact that we let prisons pick up the slack has always been disgusting and a sign of the ever increasing "ponzi" mentality of officials making it to washington. Ken Kesey wrote a pretty good story on this topic back in 1962.
Joined
·
12,743 Posts
634 MILLION DOLLARS spent on the ACA website. 
st
st1 - 20 of 21 Posts
Join the discussion
Join now to ask and comment!