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A Federal judge has just ruled the individual mandate is unconstitutional, and since the entire "act" revolves around it, the entire law is unconstitutional.... He also has said the Inv mandate can't be removed and allow the rest to remain...
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Is anybody surprised? I'm not. It'll be interesting to see what happens at the US Supreme Court. Does anybody know if his ruling puts the brakes on the early implementation measures?
 

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Is anybody surprised? I'm not. It'll be interesting to see what happens at the US Supreme Court. Does anybody know if his ruling puts the brakes on the early implementation measures?
The way this judge worded his decision, he has closed most, if not all, of the doors the SC would need to open in order to even hear this case....AND, this ruling "Voids" the "act"......As though it never happened.... obama is pissed!!!
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"Vinson's 78-page ruling hinged on the argument that by requiring people to buy healthcare insurance the government could set a precedent that would upset the free flow of food across state boundaries.

"Congress could require that people buy and consume broccoli at regular intervals," he wrote."

Interesting ruling. Sounds like more political posturing than an actual interpretation. We will see if it sticks.
 

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"Vinson's 78-page ruling hinged on the argument that by requiring people to buy healthcare insurance the government could set a precedent that would upset the free flow of food across state boundaries.

"Congress could require that people buy and consume broccoli at regular intervals," he wrote."

Interesting ruling. Sounds like more political posturing than an actual interpretation. We will see if it sticks.
Did you see where the judge actually used O's own words against him in his decision? It's a pretty decent analogy.
 

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Originally, yes....

Like I said, more political than legal.
Yes, you are right. When this shitty law was passed it WAS political. NOW, it's legal. Or should I say illegal. The biggest mistake the lefties made, and most are lawyers, was to take out the separability clause... Basic law 101, and those idiots took it out!!! I just wish I could have been the one to tell paloser that her smoke and mirrors signature bill is history...
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Yes, you are right. When this shitty law was passed it WAS political. NOW, it's legal. Or should I say illegal. The biggest mistake the lefties made, and most are lawyers, was to take out the separability clause... Basic law 101, and those idiots took it out!!! I just wish I could have been the one to tell paloser that her smoke and mirrors signature bill is history...
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Does this mean that Pelousy and Clyburn have to march arm in arm out of the Congress building together holding that big ass gavel?
 

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I found out today my Grandparents lost their insurance they had for retirement through their employer because of Obama Care.

Now they pay 3x as much as they were...

Good news if it really gets shut down, the real question is, has the damage already been done to many?
 

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Since O-care was based on interstate commerce clause, how could insurance fall under it as insurance cannot be sold across state borders. This thing has so many holes in it. It's like the three stooges wrote it. Oh wait, they did!!! Reid, Pelosi, Obama!!!:D
 

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Like I said, more political than legal.
Your dreamming. The Fedeal Gov CANNOT force you to buy any product or service. I predict a 5 to 4 rulling in the Supreme Court which is where it goes now. If they do the whole house of cards will come falling down.:D
 

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2 of millions paying more

I found out today my Grandparents lost their insurance they had for retirement through their employer because of Obama Care.

Now they pay 3x as much as they were...

Good news if it really gets shut down, the real question is, has the damage already been done to many?
Sorry to hear your GPs got screwed by obamacare, as did many, many others. I personally got trounced into a PPO from a HMO....From a minor copay, to 20% of total bill.... Now the question remains, will the insurance companies back things up to pre obamacare status? Sure, just like when crude oil prices recede, the price at the pump drops immediately.....Yeah, right.... This horrendous law will have repercussions for decades to come, regardless of how soon it is erased from the books....
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PS: I'm not saying there weren't some areas of healthcare, and HC insurance that needed reform, but this 3 stooges approach has been totally wrong from the very beginning....
 

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I found out today my Grandparents lost their insurance they had for retirement through their employer because of Obama Care.

Now they pay 3x as much as they were...

Good news if it really gets shut down, the real question is, has the damage already been done to many?
Exactly how is healthcare reform responsible?
 

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I found out today my Grandparents lost their insurance they had for retirement through their employer because of Obama Care.

Now they pay 3x as much as they were...

Good news if it really gets shut down, the real question is, has the damage already been done to many?
I feel their pain. This year we had to cancel my health insurance and my oldest daughter's insurance who has epilepsy because we simply could not afford the increase in cost. Paying for her meds out of pocket will cost us a lot, but less then paying for insurance and the meds. My wife is the CEO of a small company and she gave herself a pay cut in order to help cover the cost of insurance to the companies employees. This year is off to a rough start and its only just beginning.

As far as the second part of your statement I wonder the same thing.
 

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You really don't know???

Exactly how is healthcare reform responsible?
HC insurers are basic gamblers. They gamble that the money you, and others pay in will exceed what they have to pay out. They are gambling on your health. That is why smokers must pay more for life insurance, and life insurers exclude activities like sky diving, or auto/boat racing from those policies. The same applies to HC. obamacare required them to begin covering people that were already sick. (existing conditions)....obamacare required them to cover children to an age of 26 on their discounted parents policies. So obamacare has stacked the deck against the gamblers, and the gamblers decided they would need more money coming in, to cover more money going out... In some cases, like his GPs, the companies decided to just drop the elderly while they could before obamacare was fully implemented. In my case, my insurer removed the PPO/HMO option, and required all members of a covered family to go one way or the other, and since one member needed several different doctors/specialists, we were forced to go the PPO route and lose the "network" option.... The thing people forget is the gamble of insuring. For decades the insurance companies have been winning the gamble by denying "new" coverage to those with existing conditions. Fair? Not really... Also, putting a lifetime "cap" on coverage, fair? No.... But, now those that HAD good coverage/ good risks, are being thrown into the same "pool" as those that will surely need more paid out, than they will ever pay in... While it is true the insurers have been raking in huge profits, those profits were a cushion against the millions of "Boomers" coming into the age of needing more care. Boomers that have paid into the system for decades through payroll deductions, that will now be penalized because those that have NOT been paying into the system at all, are now sliding in during the years of needed care.... See, it is unfair to those of us that have been paying in order to include those that haven't... Sure, there are flaws in the system, but opening up HC insurance industry to mandatory "entitlement" coverage isn't the answer, and THAT has driven the prices of existing coverage through the roof....Or caused cancellations of long existing policies that will soon become higher risk policies...
Ray
 
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