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Cas, its worse than that. You show a pic of what Hiroshima is today, but not what it was 65 yearts ago. and Detroit today, but not the industrial power house of the ENTIRE WORLD that it was.
All, according to zombie, due to corporate greed, and not the welfare handouts he so dearly endorses. ?Which do you figure had the worse long term effects. The bomb and WWII, or LBJs war on poverty, and zombie's endorsed war on corporate America?

Only a true red communist can truely enjoy the fruits of their labors in totally destroying the industrial base of this country. The industrial base that WON WWII. The WAR MACHINE that zombie hates.
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Anyone who refuses to lay some of the blame for Detroit's downfall on the UAW has simply made a huge mistake.
 

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Anyone who refuses to lay some of the blame for Detroit's downfall on the UAW has simply made a huge mistake.
Is that some how different than zombies hatered of corporations? Is the AUW some how less socialistic than most DEM POTUSs? Than the OWS zombies? Its all the same organization, just simply different branches all working towards the same goal.



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Is that some how different than zombies hatered of corporations? Is the AUW some how less socialistic than most DEM POTUSs? Than the OWS zombies? Its all the same organization, just simply different branches all working towards the same goal.
Detroit's decay is a complex problem. However, corporate mis-management and building shitty cars for many years is as much to blame for Detroit's current condition as any other reasons. :yes:. During the 1970-1990s Japan's and other imports soundly kicked American auto maker's asses.
The city and people of Detroit were abandonded by the corporations as they sought ways to better compete......
 

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Detroit's decay is a complex problem. However, corporate mis-management and building shitty cars for many years is as much to blame for Detroit's current condition as any other reasons. :yes:. During the 1970-1990s Japan's and other imports soundly kicked American auto maker's asses.
The city and people of Detroit were abandonded by the corporations as they sought ways to better compete......
Why is that, do you think?
Ever heard the term "cost effective"??

No complexity about it.
 

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Detroit's decay is a complex problem. However, corporate mis-management and building shitty cars for many years is as much to blame for Detroit's current condition as any other reasons. :yes:. During the 1970-1990s Japan's and other imports soundly kicked American auto maker's asses.
The city and people of Detroit were abandonded by the corporations as they sought ways to better compete......
I have worked in (and still am related to) the Automobile business for 40+ years and although US products are/were innovative and unique the Asians did kick our asses , their products ,quality control and work ethic was and still is head and shoulders above ours the unions made our people lazy and complacent and it showed in the product (and ultimately sales) The difference between Chrysler corp to American Honda went I switched over in the 80's was so stark and obvious I was awestruck! and yes that lazyiness and complacency brought on by the unions was very likley due in part to that decline and urban decay very sad indeed ...Tom

BTW I still Drive American made cars .....
 

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There you go Z, Tom answered it for you!!
(hey Tom, I got the bench covered. Shoot you a pic when I get home. I'm in Denver airport right now)
 

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It is what happens when corporate boards or govts. have a five-year plan instead of a 50-year plan. The unions are certainly part of the problem but those people in charge are paid to manage that problem.

For those of us fortunate enough to have kids, one of the greatest gifts we can give them is our own ability to say NO. Saying yes often serves the 5-year plan but is counter productive to the 50-year vision.
 

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It is what happens when corporate boards or govts. have a five-year plan instead of a 50-year plan. The unions are certainly part of the problem but those people in charge are paid to manage that problem.

For those of us fortunate enough to have kids, one of the greatest gifts we can give them is our own ability to say NO. Saying yes often serves the 5-year plan but is counter productive to the 50-year vision.
Huh. So your kids now owe over like 35K apiece and climbing.
Nearly half of that or so is from the last 3 years.
5 years at that rate of escalation with NO return will put them at well over 50k in debt the second they take a breath.
50 years???


Your post smacks of Barney Frank syndrome.
"it's their fault for not stopping us".
 

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Huh. So your kids now owe over like 35K apiece and climbing.
Nearly half of that or so is from the last 3 years.
5 years at that rate of escalation with NO return will put them at well over 50k in debt the second they take a breath.
50 years???


Your post smacks of Barney Frank syndrome.
"it's their fault for not stopping us".

I'm no brain surgeon, but who voted for this guy?
 

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It is what happens when corporate boards or govts. have a five-year plan instead of a 50-year plan. The unions are certainly part of the problem but those people in charge are paid to manage that problem.

For those of us fortunate enough to have kids, one of the greatest gifts we can give them is our own ability to say NO. Saying yes often serves the 5-year plan but is counter productive to the 50-year vision.
A 50 year business plan??? And pray-tell how as a corporate mogul such as yourself, how would you put together a 50 year plan? The people I know in the corporate world cannot even put a 2 or 3 year plan together in today's business enviroment because of the economic uncertainty and unrest. To be able to do a XX year plan one needs to know the outside influences such as tax rates, pending outcome of new regulations, future fees, material costs, energy costs, labor costs and a gaggle of other factors the corporate planner has no control of. Trying to do a 5 year business plan in todays business enviorment will only cause embarrasment for the planner, disappointment to managment and possibly catastrophic failure of the business.
 

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It is what happens when corporate boards or govts. have a five-year plan instead of a 50-year plan. The unions are certainly part of the problem but those people in charge are paid to manage that problem.

For those of us fortunate enough to have kids, one of the greatest gifts we can give them is our own ability to say NO. Saying yes often serves the 5-year plan but is counter productive to the 50-year vision.
Thats insane!
The management is employed to manage this problem? Should there even be a problem. Like saying police are hired to handle crime and gangs. Should there even be gangs in this country? Are gangs now some how a human right covered by the constitution? Didn't the federal government arm unions with the RIGHT to gang warfare against corporations and manufactures.
How do you compete against Japan, and their work ethic with a bunch of whiney pussies getting paid 40+ bennies to install a cigrette lighter into its slot? To install a windshield wiper that USE to be done on a gas island in a gas station by the attendent. Are your kidding me with this SKILLED labor bullshit. Maybe to some useless twit like yourself that is considered SKILLED. To me, not hardly. A secretary operating a computer or typing 60 words a minute has more skill. The paper boy that can hit you porch 9 times out of 10 as more skill. A freek'n short order cook has more skill!!!!!!

YOU and all your socilaist believers used both hands to shove those jobs offshore and now you're bitching.
Quality? You think it was all mismanagment and quality.
Looked at the shoes on the market today? Clothes? Simple ass table ware? Did the U.S. steel industry start turn out crap all of a sudden and first Japan then China show the U.S. steel makers how to make BETTER steel? Seriously R&J, you REALLY want to stick to that sorry ass EXCAUSE. No blame on the labor force that was so over paid for such a UNSKILLED job that they have 9 years olds doing the job offshore. SKILLED R&J? Thats what you call your socialist whiney ass cohorts?

BOTTOM LINE; Management was only a small component. Government regulations, pure shit import laws that still exist today, labor regulations, union demands, and most importantly, THE AMERICAN CONSUMER is to blame.



But then, I can't feel to awfully bad for these people. The last time I was in Dearborn, there were more imports in the employee parking lot than Fords. What does that tell you?????
Trying to do a 5 year business plan in todays business enviorment will only cause embarrasment for the planner, disappointment to managment and possibly catastrophic failure of the business.
The company I work for drew up a 4 year plan starting in 2009. Do more work with less people, using fewer vehicles, and as few new purchases as possible. Review business plan in Dec 2012 to see if business environment shows potential signs of improvment. It was actually a pretty easy plan to draw up.



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Thats insane!
The management is employed to manage this problem? Should there even be a problem. Like saying police are hired to handle crime and gangs. Should there even be gangs in this country? Are gangs now some how a human right covered by the constitution? Didn't the federal government arm unions with the RIGHT to gang warfare against corporations and manufactures.
How do you compete against Japan, and their work ethic with a bunch of whiney pussies getting paid 40+ bennies to install a cigrette lighter into its slot? To install a windshield wiper that USE to be done on a gas island in a gas station by the attendent. Are your kidding me with this SKILLED labor bullshit. Maybe to some useless twit like yourself that is considered SKILLED. To me, not hardly. A secretary operating a computer or typing 60 words a minute has more skill. The paper boy that can hit you porch 9 times out of 10 as more skill. A freek'n short order cook has more skill!!!!!!

YOU and all your socilaist believers used both hands to shove those jobs offshore and now you're bitching.
Quality? You think it was all mismanagment and quality.
Looked at the shoes on the market today? Clothes? Simple ass table ware? Did the U.S. steel industry start turn out crap all of a sudden and first Japan then China show the U.S. steel makers how to make BETTER steel? Seriously R&J, you REALLY want to stick to that sorry ass EXCAUSE. No blame on the labor force that was so over paid for such a UNSKILLED job that they have 9 years olds doing the job offshore. SKILLED R&J? Thats what you call your socialist whiney ass cohorts?

BOTTOM LINE; Management was only a small component. Government regulations, pure shit import laws that still exist today, labor regulations, union demands, and most importantly, THE AMERICAN CONSUMER is to blame.



But then, I can't feel to awfully bad for these people. The last time I was in Dearborn, there were more imports in the employee parking lot than Fords. What does that tell you?????


The company I work for drew up a 4 year plan starting in 2009. Do more work with less people, using fewer vehicles, and as few new purchases as possible. Review business plan in Dec 2012 to see if business environment shows potential signs of improvment. It was actually a pretty easy plan to draw up.
Yep...couldn't agree with you more...It is called "Battening the hatches, dropping the sails, riding out the storm and hopefully survive." That is about the most basic business plan since the beginning of time.
 

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It is what happens when corporate boards or govts. have a five-year plan instead of a 50-year plan. The unions are certainly part of the problem but those people in charge are paid to manage that problem.

For those of us fortunate enough to have kids, one of the greatest gifts we can give them is our own ability to say NO. Saying yes often serves the 5-year plan but is counter productive to the 50-year vision.
Is that what they did in Camden, New Jersey? Better put on your rose colored glasses!!! :)bulb

 

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Well Rod, you have earned the responses you got with this one so I'll simply say this. The corporate execs could NOT say NO to the UAW, any of the dozens if times they have went on strike for MORE - MORE - MORE while they are required to do LESS - LESS - LESS. It's my opinion that no foreign auto maker could have ever competed with the US in the world market making production cars without the UAW ball and chain around the big three.

The fact that GM, Ford and Chrysler could compete at all with foreign auto makers over the past 1/2 century is a testament to their greatness given the labor differential. If you think the future of GM, Ford and Chrysler (now Fiat) includes increased production using UAW labor, you are sadly mistaken. They have completely priced themselves out of the market by way more than double and Detroit - along with a host of other Midwestern cities will continue to decline as a direct result of the union mandates! FACT!

All three of these Auto makers are currently expanding their production facilities over seas to avoid the UAW and US Government Regulations both of which have become FAR BEYOND reasonable. The pendulum has swung way too far.
GM is currently building a small city in China to manufacture vehicles as I type. Thank the liberals in government and the Union Labor force for that bit of sad news.

Tell me Rod, would a 50-year plan that includes the UAW with their ever-increasing demands be better than a five-year plan to get out of the US for any of the big three? If you use the past 50 years as an example, I believe you will begin to see the light.
 

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It is what happens when corporate boards or govts. have a five-year plan instead of a 50-year plan. The unions are certainly part of the problem but those people in charge are paid to manage that problem.

For those of us fortunate enough to have kids, one of the greatest gifts we can give them is our own ability to say NO. Saying yes often serves the 5-year plan but is counter productive to the 50-year vision.
Hilter had a 1000 year plan. Didn't work out so well for him though.

I would say the democrates had more than a 50 year shot at a 50 year plan, so on ehas to assume THIS IS THE RESULT of their plan. They won't happy til the whole country looks like this.

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It is what happens when corporate boards or govts. have a five-year plan instead of a 50-year plan. The unions are certainly part of the problem but those people in charge are paid to manage that problem.

For those of us fortunate enough to have kids, one of the greatest gifts we can give them is our own ability to say NO. Saying yes often serves the 5-year plan but is counter productive to the 50-year vision.
I take it you've never sat down during a labor negotiation!!! Fight the union and let them strike and loose money every day and put you out of business or give in and push it off down the road. That's what it's like. Union bosses look at this contract. They could care less about the viability of the company down the road. They only care about being re-elected by the rank and file.
 

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give in and push it off down the road
Thank you for making my point. That is just it, pushing it off has become the new American way. It is a nonpartisan practice but one that has cost US untold tillions.

I have sat in on negotiations. The first time I recommended we not give them what they were asking for, not because we couldn't afford it but because we were setting a precedent. My boss, the CFO, said thank you and politely declined my advice because his boss the NEW CEO didn't want to start his job with a strike in the first year. The next time we went to the table we held firm and it worked out better for all. Our Board of Directors was actually praised for their position and the CEO used his experience with us to move on to a higher paying gig.
 

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Just got this today

1. Welfare Spending Up 41 Percent Under Obama

In 1964, when President Lyndon Johnson declared a “war on poverty” in America, the poverty rate stood at around 19 percent.

Since then, total federal, state, and local spending on anti-poverty programs has amounted to $15 trillion, yet the poverty rate now stands at 15.1 percent, the highest level in nearly a decade.
“Clearly we are doing something wrong,” according to the Cato Institute, which has released a new policy analysis on welfare spending that calls the war on poverty a “failure.”
The federal government will spend more than $668 billion on anti-poverty programs this year, an increase of 41 percent or more than $193 billion since President Barack Obama took office. State and local government expenditures will amount to another $284 billion, bringing the total to nearly $1 trillion — far more than the $685 billion spent on defense.
Federal, state and local governments now spend $20,610 a year for every poor person in the United States, or $61,830 for each poor family of three.
“Given that the poverty line for that family is just $18,530, we should have theoretically wiped out poverty in America many times over,” writes Michael Tanner, director of health and welfare studies at the Cato Institute and author of “The Poverty of Welfare: Helping Others in Civil Society.”
Most welfare programs are means-tested programs providing cash, food, housing, medical care, or other benefits to low-income persons and families, or programs targeted at communities or disadvantaged groups, such as the homeless.
The federal government alone now funds 126 separate and often overlapping programs designed to fight poverty, Tanner points out.
There are 33 housing programs run by four different cabinet departments, 21 programs providing food or food-purchasing assistance administered by three different federal departments and one independent agency, and eight healthcare programs administered by five separate agencies within the Department of Health and Human Services.
The largest welfare program is Medicaid, which provides benefits to 49 million Americans and cost more than $228 billion last year, followed by the food stamps program, with 41 million participants and a price tag of nearly $72 billion. Other programs range from Federal Pell Grants ($41 billion) down to lower-cost programs such as Weatherization Assistance for Low Income Persons ($250 million) and the Senior Farmers Market Nutrition Program ($20 million).
At least 106 million Americans receive benefits from one or more of these programs. Including entitlements such as Social Security and Medicare and salaries for government employees, more than half of Americans now receive a substantial portion of their income from the government.
“Clearly we are spending more than enough money to have significantly reduced poverty, yet we haven't,” Tanner concludes.
“The vast majority of current programs are focused on making poverty more comfortable rather than giving people the tools that will help them escape poverty.
“And we actually have a pretty solid idea of the keys to getting out of and staying out of poverty: finish school, do not get pregnant outside marriage, and get a job, any job, and stick with it.”
 
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