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Boy the truth is coming out about Cali the last few days. The highest rate in the country of homeless. The highest rate of poverty. 1/3 of all people on welfare lives in Cali. 1 out of 4 in Cali is an illegal alien. The highest income tax rate. The highest corporate rate. Highest property taxes. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. You all want to leave and start your own country?? Please, don't let the door hit you in the ass.

PS, How is that bullet train working out for you all? 35% increase in the proposal on the first leg from $40 to $65 million. And that's the first leg. By the time it is done this thing will be over 100 million in a time the only reason Amtrak is alive is because of Gov money.
 

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Cali is a fucking disaster. The Liberal /Progressives have fucked up a beautiful state. That's why I am getting out as soon as possible. Flying to Texas next month to look at property.
 

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Democtats built this! Absolute fact. Moonbeam brown spends worse than a drunken sailor because drunken sailors spend their own money. It's becoming a state like Detroit, Ferguson, Baltimore, Chicago, etc. and their gun laws insure it will also become a slaughter house like the rest.
 

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Democtats built this! Absolute fact. Moonbeam brown spends worse than a drunken sailor because drunken sailors spend their own money. It's becoming a state like Detroit, Ferguson, Baltimore, Chicago, etc. and their gun laws insure it will also become a slaughter house like the rest.
Baltimore mayor just fired the police chief just 5 minutes ago. Its like their 37th in the last 20 years.
 

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Boy the truth is coming out about Cali the last few days. The highest rate in the country of homeless. The highest rate of poverty. 1/3 of all people on welfare lives in Cali. 1 out of 4 in Cali is an illegal alien. The highest income tax rate. The highest corporate rate. Highest property taxes. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. You all want to leave and start your own country?? Please, don't let the door hit you in the ass.

PS, How is that bullet train working out for you all? 35% increase in the proposal on the first leg from $40 to $65 million. And that's the first leg. By the time it is done this thing will be over 100 million in a time the only reason Amtrak is alive is because of Gov money.
There's a lot of people in California, and a lot of government funded, or subsidize projects that are available to the public. A lot more than most states, and perhaps more than any state. Do you suppose boaters benefit from any of these projects? Some people appreciate having many natural locations available to the public and someone trying to protect the environment.
Yea, higher taxes, but higher income also.

However, California Household IncomeAccording to the Census ACS 1-year survey, the median household income for California was $67,739 in 2016, the latest figures available. Compared to the median US household income, California median household income is $10,122 higher.
 

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There's a lot of people in California, and a lot of government funded, or subsidize projects that are available to the public. A lot more than most states, and perhaps more than any state. Do you suppose boaters benefit from any of these projects? Some people appreciate having many natural locations available to the public and someone trying to protect the environment.
Yea, higher taxes, but higher income also.

However, California Household Income

According to the Census ACS 1-year survey, the median household income for California was $67,739 in 2016, the latest figures available. Compared to the median US household income, California median household income is $10,122 higher.
So the cost of living is one of the highest in the country . Hell a $300,000 home in Az will cost you a million in the San Francisco . And around $600,000 in the LA area .
 

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There's a lot of people in California, and a lot of government funded, or subsidize projects that are available to the public. A lot more than most states, and perhaps more than any state. Do you suppose boaters benefit from any of these projects? Some people appreciate having many natural locations available to the public and someone trying to protect the environment.
Yea, higher taxes, but higher income also.

However, California Household IncomeAccording to the Census ACS 1-year survey, the median household income for California was $67,739 in 2016, the latest figures available. Compared to the median US household income, California median household income is $10,122 higher.
Again you will take the other (Progressive Liberal) side every time. There was a time even the Dems wanted lower taxes and what they were taxed they wanted results from and security, guess not anymore. You want to quote numbers? From a simple google search "Maryland is the richest state in the United States of America, with a median household income of $69,272". We have issue and we know it but apparently we are nothing like Cali. We have all the progressive environmental issue along with converting what used to be heavy industry areas for 200+ years back to nature and have been doing it for decades. Hell my county has 530 miles of shoreline alone. For that stupid high speed train you all are building, we have Amtrak. If it wasn't for your tax dollars it would have been out of business decades ago. Apparently the only people that use it are news broadcasters going from NY to DC.
But we also have a Rep Gov now because we were on the road to Cali. People woke up.
 

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And now that whack job AG Xavier Becerra want to fine any business $10,000 that cooperates with federal officials within ICE. So a business owner either has to tell the Feds to "F" off and be prosecuted for obstruction, or pay $10K in fines. What a great way to show businesses you care!
 

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And now that whack job AG Xavier Becerra want to fine any business $10,000 that cooperates with federal officials within ICE. So a business owner either has to tell the Feds to "F" off and be prosecuted for obstruction, or pay $10K in fines. What a great way to show businesses you care!
Fine a company if they follow Fed law...:)sphss
But yet, they don't understand why businesses can't grow and flourish under their political leadership :bangmyhead:
 

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Fine a company if they follow Fed law...:)sphss
But yet, they don't understand why businesses can't grow and flourish under their political leadership :bangmyhead:
None of them know what to do or how anything works outside of government employment.
 

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and someone trying to protect the environment.[/FONT][/COLOR]
I almost let that one slide but now that I think about it....
If Cali is not burning its flooding and if not flooding you all are in drought and sucking the watershed dry all the way to the mid west. It takes 20+ years to build a holding pond and 35+ years to build a dam in the state mostly due to red tape and court challenges and then they don't even take care of the ones they have. Want to talk about the Saltan Sea? The zoning laws, building in fire zones is insane. No matter what Cali does they will always be takers when it comes to the environment. Just to many people and not enough resources.
 

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Again you will take the other (Progressive Liberal) side every time. There was a time even the Dems wanted lower taxes and what they were taxed they wanted results from and security, guess not anymore. You want to quote numbers? From a simple google search "Maryland is the richest state in the United States of America, with a median household income of $69,272". We have issue and we know it but apparently we are nothing like Cali. We have all the progressive environmental issue along with converting what used to be heavy industry areas for 200+ years back to nature and have been doing it for decades. Hell my county has 530 miles of shoreline alone. For that stupid high speed train you all are building, we have Amtrak. If it wasn't for your tax dollars it would have been out of business decades ago. Apparently the only people that use it are news broadcasters going from NY to DC.
But we also have a Rep Gov now because we were on the road to Cali. People woke up.
First, I'm not in California. Next, no one wants taxes.
The median income of Maryland doesn't make it the wealthiest state, it means the median income is higher than other places. Maryland does seem to realize there is a benefit to having clean air and clean water, but Maryland doesn't have near the population of California, nor does it have concentrations of people like found in California. The two states are not comparable. Yea, California has it's issues, but don't throw out anything about it having elected a Republican Governor this time. Kansan and Oklahoma have Republican Governors and Senators, as a matter of fact if you're not a Republican in those states, you're not getting voted for, and those states are almost bankrupt with huge money problems.

You say, "We have all the progressive environmental issue along with converting what used to be heavy industry areas for 200+ years back to nature and have been doing it for decades," so are you complaining about those industries moving away from converting away from using the old fuel sources? Do you want to continue the use of coal in your area? I believe that I recall you remember when coal was heavily used and your area had gray sky continually Do you want to go back to them using more coal?

I can't address Amtrak, and I don't care for it, but for all of the people who do use it, it keeps them off the highways during rush hour and it helps in reducing the gray sky due to pollution. If it weren't for the subway in New Your City, do you think it would be what it is? There is no way New York could handle the necessary car traffic.
 

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I almost let that one slide but now that I think about it....
If Cali is not burning its flooding and if not flooding you all are in drought and sucking the watershed dry all the way to the mid west. It takes 20+ years to build a holding pond and 35+ years to build a dam in the state mostly due to red tape and court challenges and then they don't even take care of the ones they have. Want to talk about the Saltan Sea? The zoning laws, building in fire zones is insane. No matter what Cali does they will always be takers when it comes to the environment. Just to many people and not enough resources.
Yea, those people in California are just a bunch of asshole, or is that shitholes. And, some of the biggest post in this forum.:schreck:
 

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Yea, those people in California are just a bunch of asshole, or is that shitholes. And, some of the biggest post in this forum.:schreck:
Drunk a little early today Jim? I never said the people of Cali are a bunch of assholes. Maybe the state is run by some and there is apparently a majority of voters that voted them in office and keeps them there. For those people I would call them fools. As for shitholes. Baltimore is one and I know Cali has a few and if anyone says there is no Daca deal because Trump did or didn't say the term is full of shit. How many Dems have to be shown on video tape saying the same thing before they give that total BS up?
 

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Drunk a little early today Jim? I never said the people of Cali are a bunch of assholes. Maybe the state is run by some and there is apparently a majority of voters that voted them in office and keeps them there. For those people I would call them fools. As for shitholes. Baltimore is one and I know Cali has a few and if anyone says there is no Daca deal because Trump did or didn't say the term is full of shit. How many Dems have to be shown on video tape saying the same thing before they give that total BS up?
So Now, you deny that you called them asshole or whatever. Did you post, "No matter what Cali does they will always be takers when it comes to the environment." From what you posted it sure sounds like that's your opinion or something similar.

What Trump said in the meeting is just one part of many reasons why there is not a deal. Even the Senate Majority Leaders doesn't know what Trump will sign, and Trump keeps changing his position. That is not a Democratic problem, that's your guy.
A number of Democrats and Republicans have indicated they could reach a deal, but without Trump it won't happen.

You say, "How many Dems have to be shown on video tape saying the same thing before they give that total BS up?" Well, I haven't seen any Democrat say that on tape, so the answer is -0-. If you have seen it, perhaps you would share it with everyone.
 

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Yep...CA is a F-ed up liberal mess.........And.........ONE THIRD of the US ECONOMY!

ONE THIRD of the US ECONOMY - And, the Conservatives keep talking about how great the economy is doing. Just think, if you take that one-third and add it to New York, which is apparently liberal and see where things are.
 

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You guys know the internet works both ways right? You can spout out what you want but you can also take information back in. You should give it a try so you don't look so dumb.
From Bloomberg (cant say they are right wing) "Look at California, which is one-eighth of the U.S. population with 39 million people and one-seventh of the nation's gross domestic product of $2.3 trillion."
That's about 13.3% and no where near 1/3rd. The population is about 12.2% of the country but yet in my 1st post 1/3 of all welfare payments got to Cali.
 

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OK....The Welfare thing; So cousin Billy-Bob hears from cousin Jimmy that in CA you get $600 a month and Billy-Bob Says "Wow! I only get $200 here in Arkansas...I should move to CA!!!" And Jimmy states "The cost of living is so high here that you are actually getting less!" But Billy-Bob thinks 'Yea, right.....Those dumb-buns in CA don't know how to pinch a penny....'

So Billy-Bob saves up his money and rides the bus to CA....Only to find out that Jimmy was right....and now he can't save up enough to get back home....

We tried to pass a law that kept 1st timers here from collecting the full welfare amount during the first year, but the >>>US Supreme Court<<< shot that legislation down (Because "Hey, we can get rid of all our poor people in CA! Hahaha!")

This is seperate from states GIVING their poor a free Bus Ticket to CA......

So YOU guys Screw CA and then point and say how F'd up CA is.......Typical Conservative circular logic crap.....(And yes, Libbys do the same circular-logic crap sometimes, too! (Which does NOT give the Cons the right to be just as F'd up as them....)
 
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