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You poor folks are about to be screwed, the EPA is at it again. Look for gas shortage of the 70's. The epa is going to start gas rationing starting in 2015
 

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Not sure if it'll get to the rationing stage, but look to much higher prices on everything from gas and electricity, to anything that needs to be delivered. All industries that the EPA and CARB regulate will be affected due to California's new Cap & Trade taxes.

I wonder how many more companies will be leaving California.
 

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Poor folks? LOL living there is a choice.
 

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Give it a few more years and there will be nothing left of Cali but a ghost town. How can any business servive in suck a hostile environment. They are running all the trucking out, the mining, logging, eat, ect,ect,,,.
 

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I dont see us having shortages but do see everything going up price wise
 

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Give it a few more years and there will be nothing left of Cali but a ghost town. How can any business servive in suck a hostile environment. They are running all the trucking out, the mining, logging, eat, ect,ect,,,.
We'll be fine...no worries...:)hand
 

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We'll be fine...no worries...:)hand
You see that hack news report saying that gas taxes will have to go up because gas prices are so low? Even though a lower price will sell more fuel... Even though gas taxes aren't a percentage but a set rate?

Liberal thinking for you!
 

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Poor folks? LOL living there is a choice.
I feel sorry for them. Especially those that are deeply entrenched there; to have to pull up anchor and move is a tough one. I know if I had to do it, it would take a long time to get reestablished. More than likely would loose a year in wages. Some people are just stuck. Others love their area.
 

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I can not relocate. Sure I can sell and try to reestablish . I am going to sell one day, and hope I don't have to work to make it. It's a Tough choice. But will have to be made eventually. Either way I will be heading out of this state one day. Just to young to call it quits. There is still money to be made.
 

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You see that hack news report saying that gas taxes will have to go up because gas prices are so low? Even though a lower price will sell more fuel... Even though gas taxes aren't a percentage but a set rate?

Liberal thinking for you!
One of our customers is in Fuel Retail...demand/volume has been in decline since 2007, according to him...primarily driven by more fuel efficient vehicles...

He's making nice $$$ profits in this decline...wholesale is falling much faster than retail...
 

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I can not relocate. Sure I can sell and try to reestablish . I am going to sell one day, and hope I don't have to work to make it. It's a Tough choice. But will have to be made eventually. Either way I will be heading out of this state one day. Just to young to call it quits. There is still money to be made.
We'd love to relocate...being pretty much on a fixed income these days, lowering the COL is a primary concern...tough to do when you've lived all your life in SoCal...
 

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We'd love to relocate...being pretty much on a fixed income these days, lowering the COL is a primary concern...tough to do when you've lived all your life in SoCal...
No, no!!! Unless you go to New York, Portland, or Seattle, you need to stay there. The good cities don't need stupidity heading their way!!! :wink2:
 

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No, no!!! Unless you go to New York, Portland, or Seattle, you need to stay there. The good cities don't need stupidity heading their way!!! :wink2:
Might just end up on a 40ac farm in Lexington, KY...whole fam damily might just end up there...

Def NOT "mormon country"...:)hand
 

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Might just end up on a 40ac farm in Lexington, KY...whole fam damily might just end up there...

Def NOT "mormon country"...:)hand
Whew!! Being non-Mormon living here isn't the most comfortable, but they do make it a nicer place to live than all the cities with the liberals. A lot safer!! And the economy is awesome!! I'll warn the wife's relatives about more socialists heading their way. They know how to deal with them there!!!

Funny how all the liberal cities are completely focked up, while the conservative cities are a nice place.
 

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Heres some info (video) on this issue ....

New gas tax takes effect Jan. 1 | FOX5 San Diego – San Diego news, weather, traffic, sports from KSWB

And this from Brietbart

Effective January 1st, drivers in California will be in for a shock as gas prices jump. This overnight price increase has nothing to do with the fluctuations of the market, nor will drivers be getting a better grade of gasoline. It’s simply the price of supporting a government that wants to control your every move.


Under complete Democrat domination, Gov. Jerry Brown’s appointee to the California Air Resources Board (CARB), Mary Nichols, has decreed that every driver must pay for another level of government control. As California singlehandedly attempts to combat the ever-elusive “global warming”—now conveniently renamed “climate change”—CARB is putting gasoline and diesel fuel under the Cap-and-Trade scheme authorized by AB32 (known as the Global Warming Solutions Act).


It doesn’t matter that theres no evidence that raising the cost of fuel will do anything to alleviate a problem that is rooted in llaklitics instead of science. By requiring refiners to buy a permit, this unelected board is doing nothing more than confiscating capital from ordinary Californians. Even though the cost is passed on at the pump, it will be paid by more than just drivers: the cost of every product that must be transported on California roads will cost more.


And for what? The only clear beneficiary of this hidden tax on fuel are the bureaucrats whose ranks will increase, and the Democrat politicians whose socialist programs will be funded, further solidifying their control over every Californian. This is how government continues to grow faster than the economy at large—and the never-ending growth of government is the greatest threat to our future, and our freedom. Tomorrow, 900 new laws take effect, many of which limit our freedom or raise the cost of living in the most oppressed state in the union.


The response of the Democrat masters of our state has been laughable. Last summer, a number of Democrat politicians signed onto a letter asking CARB to delay a gas tax hike that will hit the poorest the hardest–but that was ignored. Then they spoke and voted in favor of a bill—AB 69 by Central Valley Democrat Henry Perrea—that would legislatively delay the tax’s implementation.


In spite of the fact that Democrats had a legislative supermajority at the time, the bill died in committee. That’s usually what happens to Republican bills that are good for the average, hard-working California taxpayer. It wasn’t because they couldn’t pass it–it’s because they wanted to pretend to address the problem at election time.


The public sector unions legally bribe more Democrat politicians to grow government, thereby increasing their fiefdoms by passing even more laws requiring even more regulators to enforce them, and more social programs requiring even more administrators to administer. That translates into reliable voting blocks and steady and strong financing for the campaigns of anyone willing to play the game.


In the end, it’s the little guy who pays for all this government expansion through increased taxes—most of which are hidden as fees or simply passed on in the cost of a necessary commodity such as gasoline that everyone must purchase. By the time the public is forced to pay the additional cost, the outrage is diffused. The average citizen won’t know who to blame. The Democrats, however, will remedy that in short order. They’ll gin up public anger at the oil companies, and raise public ire and campaign funds in the process.


Democrats have played the voters for fools because they control every constitutional office and both the Assembly and the Senate–and yet, they refused tot kill this egregious tax on every hard-working Californian who drives to work. Their domination will not last forever. One massive tax penalty is looming and will hit many Americans as they try to recover from a job loss.


This could be the straw that breaks the camel’s back
 

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We'll be fine...no worries...:)hand
As Cali continues to be drift into a 3rd World Shit Hole which you obviously feel comfortable in. Comprende?
 

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Might just end up on a 40ac farm in Lexington, KY...whole fam damily might just end up there...

Def NOT "mormon country"...:)hand
I guess you figure your work is done in Cali.I think you will find it a little tougher to destroy KY like you did in Cali.I moved here after living in CA for 50 years.We are looking to snuff out any repeat.If you don't believe me look at what happened in our last Senate race.It figures that you would pick Lexington. the one place in the state that is harboring mindless liberals.
 
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