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For what I am seeing for aluminum heads these Profiler's seem ok for the $$$.

What do you think?? Worth the $$$??


http://www.competitionproducts.com/prodinfo.asp?number=PFL174-X-32-03
Depends on how Comp Products is buying them. If they're buying them bare and doing their own valvejob and guide work, forget it. If they're coming from Profiler direct, there's a reason they're cheap, so either way, be ware and have them carefully inspected after you buy them. Whatever you do, don't buy an assembled set of heads and just bolt them on your engine. Trust me on this.
 

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Depends on how Comp Products is buying them. If they're buying them bare and doing their own valvejob and guide work, forget it. If they're coming from Profiler direct, there's a reason they're cheap, so either way, be ware and have them carefully inspected after you buy them. Whatever you do, don't buy an assembled set of heads and just bolt them on your engine. Trust me on this.
This must be an uninformed opinion, unless your mistaking them for Procomps..... Profiler is one of the best head companys out there. Darrin Morgan is working with them now as well. They came from high end hardcore racing heads and are now offering a streetline. We are working with them to develp these heads. 100% us casting in house, great port/machine work and its not scrap aluminum off the floor like a few of the other companys. Theres a reason some of the top engine builders are using these. Here are my own personal heads that im using, pictures arent that great (camera phone)



 

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Whatever you do, don't buy an assembled set of heads and just bolt them on your engine. Trust me on this.
This must be an uninformed opinion, unless your mistaking them for Procomps..... Profiler is one of the best head companys out there. Darrin Morgan is working with them now as well.
I wouldn't buy a set of assembled heads from my mother unless she could tell be who's and what valves, springs and retainers were in them. The days of assuming they a quality stuff are long gone. I don't know a single head supplyer that is putting decent stuff in their heads without optioning the hell out of them. Sure you can get Manley Nexteks:)sphss and Victory:rolleyes: valves installed in AFRs. If you order the right part#. Same with Merlins, it's all in the dash number. But most don't tell you what is in them, because they don't want you to know. The 21-4N Stainless spec in the most abused number world.



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Uninformed opinion? Tell me what you know about Competition Products. He's not buyng those heads from you, is he?
What's your position there at ATK?
All I know about Competition Products is that they are another parts store with a good rep (from what I have heard). Not buying from me, but being that our builder here "Mark Johnson" has been dealing with Darren and Mike over @ Profiler in getting some of the heads setup right we have seen quite a few sets and what they come with. Mark was very impressed with the bare castings and the valve jobs we have seen. As far as the parts that come with them, thats the customers choice. We have ours setup how we want them and for a great price. I am the HP Sales Manager for ATK.
 

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All I know about Competition Products is that they are another parts store with a good rep (from what I have heard). Not buying from me, but being that our builder here "Mark Johnson" has been dealing with Darren and Mike over @ Profiler in getting some of the heads setup right we have seen quite a few sets and what they come with. Mark was very impressed with the bare castings and the valve jobs we have seen. As far as the parts that come with them, thats the customers choice. We have ours setup how we want them and for a great price. I am the HP Sales Manager for ATK.
So, no offense, but you're a sales manager, and I've been working on/building/repairing cylinder heads almost exclusively for close to 20yrs. now, and you're telling me my opinion is un-informed?;)
I appreciate everything you've said about Profiler, Darin, Mark, and everyone else, and you're probably right, about your one small cross section of experience with cylinder heads. You're getting the cream of the crop there, so I would expect your opinion to be what it is. My comments were mainly directed at Competition Products, not Profiler. I relize it sort of sounded that way, but not what I meant.:)hand
 

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So, no offense, but you're a sales manager, and I've been working on/building/repairing cylinder heads almost exclusively for close to 20yrs. now, and you're telling me my nopinion is un-informed?;)
I appreciate everything you've said about Profiler, Darin, Mark, and everyone else, and you're probably right, about your one small cross section of experience with cylinder heads. You're getting the cream of the crop there, so I would expect your opinion to be what it is. My comments were mainly directed at Competition Products, not Profiler. I relize it sort of sounded that way, but not what I meant.:)hand
I'm sorry Scot, But this post just cracks me up. Just shocking that it would be authored by you.:)handhil:):)hand
 

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I'm sorry Scot, But this post just cracks me up. Just shocking that it would be authored by you.:)handhil:):)hand
Good for you John.
Dude...am I going to have to worry about you peekin' in my bedroom window at nights or something?
 

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Good for you John.
Dude...am I going to have to worry about you peekin' in my bedroom window at nights or something?
Nope, you don't need to worry about that.:)hand

Carry on.
 

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Depends on how Comp Products is buying them. If they're buying them bare and doing their own valvejob and guide work, forget it. If they're coming from Profiler direct, there's a reason they're cheap, so either way, be ware and have them carefully inspected after you buy them. Whatever you do, don't buy an assembled set of heads and just bolt them on your engine. Trust me on this.
Hmmmm..... Over the years I've bought easily a dozen set's of assembled heads with never a problem. I typically use Brodix or Dart, but have used AFR as well. If you know what you need, order the heads with the right components for your application, and confirm you got what you ordered, assembled heads are just fine. Sure, most "off the shelf" heads can be improved upon by a specialist (for a fee) but it's not necessary unless you bought the wrong set.
 

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Hmmmm..... Over the years I've bought easily a dozen set's of assembled heads with never a problem. I typically use Brodix or Dart, but have used AFR as well. If you know what you need, order the heads with the right components for your application, and confirm you got what you ordered, assembled heads are just fine. Sure, most "off the shelf" heads can be improved upon by a specialist (for a fee) but it's not necessary unless you bought the wrong set.
It's not necessarily the components I'm talking about and I agree, if you know what you want and can be specific enough about it, that shouldn't be a problem. In a lot of cases, depending on what you order, they'll have to build the heads accordingly and you're basically getting a custom build. Even so, I'm wondering if you've ever taken a set apart and inspected them for things like guide clearances and seat run-out?
More and more, the people I talk to agree that the quality of what's coming out of "head shops" as far as production is not what it should be, or could be, especially with already assembled off the shelf heads. What I've seen lately (last three sets of heads) that were supposedly "good to go" were sent back, and would NEVER leave my shop like how they arrived here. Two of those sets were from Comp Products.
Just my experience and opinion, YMMV.
 

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Hmmmm..... Over the years I've bought easily a dozen set's of assembled heads with never a problem. I typically use Brodix or Dart, but have used AFR as well. If you know what you need, order the heads with the right components for your application, and confirm you got what you ordered, assembled heads are just fine. Sure, most "off the shelf" heads can be improved upon by a specialist (for a fee) but it's not necessary unless you bought the wrong set.
Which reminds me.
I hope your exhaust guides are .002 or close to it and you are not running valve seals on the exhaust on your alcohol deal.
 

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Which reminds me.
I hope your exhaust guides are .002 or close to it and you are not running valve seals on the exhaust on your alcohol deal.
Bob, hope you're coming to CFW early in the week.... wanted to bend your ear a bit. Got some fuel curve questions for ya....
I know we aren't running seals on the exhaust, I lapped the valves and assembled the heads. Gotta ask the machinest about the guide clearance....
 
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