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The only reason they don't turn very well is that they don't have a center turn fin. I'm not sure why Cougar's don't. Maybe because at speed (say over 60 mph) the fin would be out of the water anyway. I will say this, my black 21' Daytona had a fin and it turned quite well, but not when it's above the water! (see River Water Boating Vehicle Recreation
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I would say that the boat turns as well as any I've had for going back to pick up a skier at 35 mph.
I don't really try to make it turn going fast but I can feel it would take a lot of force on the steering wheel.

My boat had a turn fin and I removed it and glassed the hole over.
 

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Thanks for sharing the info on cornering !!!

WE were the slowest at the Parker 300 in the corners

On a good note it was of the fastest in the real rough water!

Driving a cougar at a 100 mph plus into a 180 degree corner

That's a very unnatural feeling and the course has one every 3 miles

We will be trying to max are cornering situation. Your input respected
 

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prop walk and tail movment

maybe smitten 19 will get on here share. a whjile back we where bs'ing. he was telling me that he tried several diffrent props on his 21 daytona v-drive. the three blade made the boat have a washing machine action, that was very hard to drive through. i cant remember how all the other props reacted, but he did say the prop that worked the best was a grose prop.
also i was looking at a brendella tunnel v-drive and a centurion tunel v-drive. and noticed that both of them have a scag about 3 or 4in long and about 6in. tall, recest into the tunnel on the very back of the sponson on both side. it hung down about 3in. below the bottom of the boat. ive also seen this on the bigger 23-24ft daytonas. maybe this would help keep the back from moving around.:)hand
 

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I would say that the boat turns as well as any I've had for going back to pick up a skier at 35 mph.
I don't really try to make it turn going fast but I can feel it would take a lot of force on the steering wheel.

My boat had a turn fin and I removed it and glassed the hole over.
I'm surprised you took your's off. I've actually contemplated putting one on my Cougar just to enhance the low speed 30-50mph turning. Jocko
 

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Sure would like to see picture of that. It suits the driving style maybe more for a O/B tail weight

So far the best way we found to hair pin corner. Lift off the throttle gentle and step back in throttle as the air blows out, reduce throttle and lower trim and add hard rudder while going straight, induce slide and relax steering input toward neutral steer with a gentle throttle taps stop slide lock hull in.

Did I tell about looking like a Great Dane pissing over a fire hydrant a couple of times

For us to enter a hair pin corner, we have learned a do and don't list that must be obeyed

To gain control of the big O/B it took twin imco side mount steering rams and requires a good amount of steering torque input in manual cappallino helm.
 

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I've owned a couple of the Cougar V-Drive tunnels. I believe I bought the original black and orange gel coat racer in 1982 and ran that with Fraser Valley Drag Boat Association for many years. It was a 1979 hull I think. The center pod was deeper and above 105 mph or so it would start to chine. I was getting close to getting hurt a few times so in 1988 or so I ordered a new one, the primarily orange one #6 in the photos. The center pod was the same depth as the two outer pods. Wayne Booth and Herb McIntyre put the orange boat together for me as Specialty Marine out of Mission, BC and they helped me make the black boat run well too. The black boat was sold to a local Mission kid and converted to jet. I successfully raced the orange boat up until 2002. My best e.t. with a 482 and 1050 dominators was 9.61 @ 122 mph at a Columbia Drag Boat Association race in Oregon. I won FVDBA high points in 1997. I would have been very comfortable driving that boat in the 9 second bracket, it was solid as a rock. Having been around racing as long as I have now I'm not sure about racing in the 8's with that combo but I would be willing to give it a try. It was a big heavy hull though, would take a lot of jam to move it that quick. I did ask for a lighter layup but was told that wouldn't happen. Whether that was from Cougar or maybe Wayne and Herb trying to protect me I don't know but I think it was from Cougar. I had the right prop and rudder combo and the boat was well set up by Herb and Wayne. I never really had the money to spend on a stout engine anyway. That boat drove as nice as any I've ever driven. The only other Cougar tunnel I drove was an outboard and I couldn't believe the torque steer at high speed.

The boat was stolen from our Moses Lake Washington race site. I did get it back 70 days later and they had taken everything but the steering column. I had just put a fresh 427 in it with some borrowed parts, had to take care of that too. It had been really thrashed too, looked like it was dragged sideways through a gravel pit. It lost all appeal for me, I had to pay to get it back, the cops didn't give a damn about anything to do with it. People bought my parts at swap meets and tried to sell them back to me. And then even my racing buddies were giving me hell for not putting it back together. It was a pretty big hit all around. All of this moved me out of the racing part of the program and into the photography/writing part of the sport, which is much more profitable by the way.

After still being angry about the thing a couple of years later I finally just handed it over to Herb. H'e taken quite a few years to put it back together and done a great job. There's still some battle scars if you look close, it's anything but a trailer queen. Those pictures you see are mine and the reason you don't see any running shots of it are I was in the passenger seat when it did run. That day was sort of a set up day for the boat, the motor was still a little cranky and there was some fine tuning to do. Herb has always been a little crazy behind the wheel, not many people are brave or stupid enough to get in the passenger seat with him. He did a couple of things that had me thinking I was going to bite it and I wasn't even driving. Something was goofy with the tach and I don't think we were geared right, not enough travel in the gas pedal either, just a bunch of minor things that needed looking to. I couldn't tell how fast we were going but it definitely got there quicker with that power than any motor I ever had in there. Of course was thinking all the time I would get to drive it but that never happened. When both of us have a little more time something like that will happen.

Here's a link to those shots, http://picasaweb.google.com/snarkula

I think the blue factory racer ended up in Alberta, I'll check my pictures but I think a guy raced with us at Shumway Lake in Kamloops with that hull.
 

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Steve, wow this is great getting you on this forum and particularly into this small Cougar (v-drive) fraternity. It was cool reading your early history running these style boats. Just looking at the rear shot of your boat, I can see you've done the same exact plate mods (extended & added center turnbuckles) that Roy and my son Steve did to his. Also interesting is your e.t. / speed reflects exactly what I've been saying, that they don't leave very hard but sure do top end like crazy.
Hope to hear more from you, Jocko (Dave)
 

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maybe smitten 19 will get on here share. a whjile back we where bs'ing. he was telling me that he tried several diffrent props on his 21 daytona v-drive. the three blade made the boat have a washing machine action, that was very hard to drive through. i cant remember how all the other props reacted, but he did say the prop that worked the best was a grose prop.
also i was looking at a brendella tunnel v-drive and a centurion tunel v-drive. and noticed that both of them have a scag about 3 or 4in long and about 6in. tall, recest into the tunnel on the very back of the sponson on both side. it hung down about 3in. below the bottom of the boat. ive also seen this on the bigger 23-24ft daytonas. maybe this would help keep the back from moving around.:)hand
When I owned that Daytona it did the same thing at about 90-100 mph with a 3 blade, however I didn't have enough HP to "drive through it" Jocko
 

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21' Cougar V-drive

Since were talking Cougars, I thought you might like to see my '85 21' Cougar Tunnel. I'm running a 427 Blown BBC, Casale v-Drive w/24 gears, Art Carr 2-speed shortie Powerglide & a 12-15 Kindswater 3 blade steel prop. Bought bare hull from Cougar, in Canada, and did the build myself. Top RPM for me is 6700 with a little more left. Not sure how fast it is, but only out run by a very few boats on the lake in 25 years. It's a terror out of the hole and very stable a all speed and rough water.



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Since were talking Cougars, I thought you might like to see my '85 21' Cougar Tunnel. I'm running a 427 Blown BBC, Casale v-Drive w/24 gears, Art Carr 2-speed shortie Powerglide & a 12-15 Kindswater 3 blade steel prop. Bought bare hull from Cougar, in Canada, and did the build myself. Top RPM for me is 6700 with a little more left. Not sure how fast it is, but only out run by a very few boats on the lake in 25 years. It's a terror out of the hole and very stable a all speed and rough water.

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I remember your boat from the reunion, never alot of V-Drives at the reunions. Do you remember Al's blue 21 tunnel? 99 was the year of the high water, the first 22 tunnel showed up, miss the reunions they were a good time. I only had a 4 hr drive to get there so went to a few. Looking for pics I know I have a few of V-Drives some place.

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I think thats what kindsvater (12x15) did for my dad with the black 21 daytona as well. I think it left real well.
Harold is a propeller guru, however he really missed the mark when I bought that prop. After describing the boat as a 21' v-drive tunnel with a blown 468 BBC, W/25 gear....he sent me a 13" dia. x 14 pitch prop (3-blade) . I knew it was wrong as soon as I got it. I eventually had it cut down to 11 1/2" and pitched up to a 15 and it still didn't work on the top end. Awesome leave and very smooth for skiing/cruising, but just wasn't right for that boat. Jocko
 

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[Harold is a propeller guru, however he really missed the mark when I bought that prop. After describing the boat as a 21' v-drive tunnel with a blown 468 BBC, W/25 gear....he sent me a 13" dia. x 14 pitch prop (3-blade) . I knew it was wrong as soon as I got it. Jocko
When I first got my Daytona it came with a 12" x 16 three blade stainless prop.
I didn't know anything about props or Vdrives back then (still don't) but that prop made the boat handle like crap. The bow would steer with the prop torque and go every way but straight. I thought, "what the hell did I buy here" ?

I borrowed a 11" x 16 steel three blade and it made all the difference in the world. That's the size I still run.
I've been happy with the Radiece prop I got new from Tom Bentley.
 
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