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There is no doubt that having a national data base would make it easy for the government to send out letters to owners if the laws require surrender of certain firearms. I also feel they will use civil penalties, tax liens, IRS fines to enforce the surrender of the weapons. Same as they are doing to tax us for obamacare. There will be no door to door gun grab. To many doors to knock in the U.S.

Now, all handguns purchased through FFL or private party are already registered except antique/collectibles. Rifles have DROS. I am pretty sure data from DROS for rifles can be extrapolated and inputted into the existing database for registered handguns. The government probably doesn't even need people to do it voluntarily with their rifles. They can get the info from existing records.

I have been worrying about my RAWS for quite sometime as I followed the law and registered them back in 2000. They will probably be the first to go if a grab is attempted. Guess they will probably only get a cut up lower receiver though to be in compliance.
 

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There is no doubt that having a national data base would make it easy for the government to send out letters to owners if the laws require surrender of certain firearms. I also feel they will use civil penalties, tax liens, IRS fines to enforce the surrender of the weapons. Same as they are doing to tax us for obamacare. There will be no door to door gun grab. To many doors to knock in the U.S.

Now, all handguns purchased through FFL or private party are already registered except antique/collectibles. Rifles have DROS. I am pretty sure data from DROS for rifles can be extrapolated and inputted into the existing database for registered handguns. The government probably doesn't even need people to do it voluntarily with their rifles. They can get the info from existing records.

I have been worrying about my RAWS for quite sometime as I followed the law and registered them back in 2000. They will probably be the first to go if a grab is attempted. Guess they will probably only get a cut up lower receiver though to be in compliance.
Right now, long guns are not registered by S/N or any other identifying feature except "long gun". That may change.

The fines and penalties for non compliance will be the start but rest assured, eventually they will be physically confescating firearms, in person.

For AR15 style rifles, replace your "registered" receivers with non-registered. Get an 80% finished receiver and finish it yourself. No registration required.
 

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Right now, long guns are not registered by S/N or any other identifying feature except "long gun". That may change.

The fines and penalties for non compliance will be the start but rest assured, eventually they will be physically confescating firearms, in person.

For AR15 style rifles, replace your "registered" receivers with non-registered. Get an 80% finished receiver and finish it yourself. No registration required.
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The nice thing about Utah is that they do not keep a database on guns sold for that reason. If a gun turns up in a crime, they go to the manufacturer to see what shop it was sold to. The shop keeps a record of who they sold it to. The state keeps no record. I imagine that if the government wanted information on ever gun sold , they could do it, but by the time they tracked down every gun, all mine will have already been reported stolen! :wink2:
 

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Right now, long guns are not registered by S/N or any other identifying feature except "long gun". That may change.

The fines and penalties for non compliance will be the start but rest assured, eventually they will be physically confescating firearms, in person.

For AR15 style rifles, replace your "registered" receivers with non-registered. Get an 80% finished receiver and finish it yourself. No registration required.

I can only speak for Cali based systems and you are correct. Only handguns show as registered when you run a serial number in the Automated Firearm System (AFS) which is what LE uses. When the number comes back to a match it not only gives the registered owners name but also DROS info as well. Of course it will also say if the gun has been reported lost or stolen. Multiple hits come back to different firearms also due to the same serial numbers used on different make and caliber of guns.

Now, rifles and shotguns that were purchased via a dealer or from a private party also have a DROS attached to them but they do not show up in the AFS as registered to an individuals name (yet). I suspect it would be very easy to gather all the DROS info on long gun sales at least in the state of Cali and add this to the info in the AFS database which already contains all the handgun info.

Now the feds want a national database created with everything. I am guessing that would involve taking each states current database of info such as AFS in California and transferring that info into the national data base. They will also accompany this with proposed new legislation laws mandating that every firearm you own must be registered with prints and photos of the owner. They basically want to know what ever law abiding citizen currently legally owns be it handguns, rifles and even ammo it seems.

This is absolute BS and I do believe it is one of the steps leading towards confiscation and forced surrender of firearms. So what about the millions of people that just say F it and I am not registering my rifle? Well, look at what you end up with here. You have something you were supposed to register but chose not to and maybe even with the BS laws they are trying to pass you were suppose to surrender it but chose not to as well. Of course criminality is now involved but more important actually is you have something in your possession that you can't even use for your pleasure hobby, hunting, competition shooting, any longer. You can't even take it out to the range any more and have fun target shooting. Self defense? Well guess you could use it for that and go with I'd rather be judged by 12 then carried by 6 dealio. Libbys are trying to F us out of everything plain and simple and guns (the 2nd) are just one of the vestiges that conservatives hold near and dear and the socialist regime is trying to take that away from us. History has shown us what happens when dictators take guns away from their countries citizens.
 

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True story. Yes they will come for them. In CA if you owned a rifle that they call a assault weapon you had to reg them with CA DOJ. Like stated the gooberment only get serial numbers for hand guns. Rifles are not reg. You do go thru a background check but numbers stay in the dealers hands for 20 years. OK So apx 6 months after it was law the ATFE came to him, he is a personal friend as is his #2 guy. We all belong to the same lodge and both told me the same story. Neither would lie about this. They came in, atf with a bunch of paper work. He said it was about 2 inches thick. Probably 150 to 200 pages, Told the Sheriff that they were all people who had bought a so called assault weapon and did not register them. They wanted for him to go get them. He told them NO. He would not do that and if they wanted them to go and get them their selfs. Then he add that if he gets a phone call from a citizen and are being put in danger by them he would send his men to protect his citizens. They left the county and never came back. How did they find out who bought them? So yes they know and yes they will come when they feel they have sufficient numbers to get it done. Every gooberment agency is a law enforcement agency. I have more true tales I have experienced myself but should not talk about them. good luck to you all.
 

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Yeah, and that is against the law in cali without a DROS or a relic gun and a C/R license.
You say this as if the guys who break in your front door will have registered weapons. At the risk of stepping over the line, I'd rather have a private party purchased weapon available in my hands at that moment than have one the government will take away the day before I need it to protect my family.
 

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You say this as if the guys who break in your front door will have registered weapons. At the risk of stepping over the line, I'd rather have a private party purchased weapon available in my hands at that moment than have one the government will take away the day before I need it to protect my family.
Doc, it's against the law to sell someone you know a firearm without first going through a FFL and the ten day "cooling off" period unless it qualifies as a curio-relic. It has nothing to do with someone breaking in your door, unless you think that justifies being just as much a criminal as he is.

This is one reason I'm leaving CA. They're creating laws that have no effect on the criminal and in fact, will turn law-abiding citizens into criminals.
 

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All transactions starting in 2014, long guns will be recorded just as pistols.

AB809, already passed and signed.

Yes, you are correct but for the 10's if not 100's of millions of rifles already owned in Cali, well I feel they can track those and add those to the registration database also just from the DROS records. Just my opinion but I think they would like the mandatory registration law also to make some of their work easier but they will also use existing DROS records to input into the system and cross reference it to see if you complied with the mandatory registration (if it goes into effect at some point for rifles acquired before 2014).
 

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You say this as if the guys who break in your front door will have registered weapons. At the risk of stepping over the line, I'd rather have a private party purchased weapon available in my hands at that moment than have one the government will take away the day before I need it to protect my family.
Personally manufactured recivers of guns already in existance do not need registration as long as it was made with the intent not to sell it is legal. But if you so happen to decide to sell it down the line you can go through an FFL after you seralize it and brand it. If it's not an already designed reciever it is a zip gun.
 

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Doc, it's against the law to sell someone you know a firearm without first going through a FFL and the ten day "cooling off" period unless it qualifies as a curio-relic. It has nothing to do with someone breaking in your door, unless you think that justifies being just as much a criminal as he is.

This is one reason I'm leaving CA. They're creating laws that have no effect on the criminal and in fact, will turn law-abiding citizens into criminals.




100% correct. They have some strict gun laws in place such as 10/20/life guideline. Basically if you use a gun in the commission of a felony crime it could add 10 or 20 or life to your sentence depending on the nature of the crime and how the person used the firearm during the commission of the crime. Now the DA office wants a 100% conviction rate so the LA County DA can brag and helps during election time. So the DA office will often deal a lot of these crimes and make plea bargains for lighter sentences as long as the victim was not injured. So the 10 year enhancement along with the 4 years for the robbery should get the bad guy 14 years for using a gun in the crime but often these get plea bargained down to 4 maybe 6 years and with good behavior and over crowding well the time is even shorter. I have seen this time and time again over the years. So essentially they are not using the tough existing gun laws on the books to keep violent criminals locked up.

Do you think these violent felons are using their own legally purchased and registered weapons....LOL We all know the answer well almost off of us, not the libby gun grabbers...They just don't get it....
 

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Yes, you are correct but for the 10's if not 100's of millions of rifles already owned in Cali, well I feel they can track those and add those to the registration database also just from the DROS records. Just my opinion but I think they would like the mandatory registration law also to make some of their work easier but they will also use existing DROS records to input into the system and cross reference it to see if you complied with the mandatory registration (if it goes into effect at some point for rifles acquired before 2014).
DROS hasn't always kept the serial numbers on long guns. My guess is it was absent in the 90s and came about in the 00s based on conversations with FFLs and firearm enthusists.

I also heard all DROS papers are stored in a warehouse in Texas. Mainly brining it up, that those papers that they so called destory after 3 years may indeed just be sitting in some random warehouse paid for by taxpayers. Who knows where.

I did say transactions, you are right, this lives millions of guns unregistered by serial number.

Long guns included shotguns for those who may not know.
 

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DROS hasn't always kept the serial numbers on long guns. My guess is it was absent in the 90s and came about in the 00s based on conversations with FFLs and firearm enthusists.

I also heard all DROS papers are stored in a warehouse in Texas. Mainly brining it up, that those papers that they so called destory after 3 years may indeed just be sitting in some random warehouse paid for by taxpayers. Who knows where.

I did say transactions, you are right, this lives millions of guns unregistered by serial number.

Long guns included shotguns for those who may not know.
I've never had a serial number or even the make of rifle recorded on any DROS paperwork. I thought a while back they were going to star classifying "AR" type weapons, but that never came about AFAIK.
DROS in CA simply states you're purchasing a long gun.
 

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Doc, it's against the law to sell someone you know a firearm without first going through a FFL and the ten day "cooling off" period unless it qualifies as a curio-relic. It has nothing to do with someone breaking in your door, unless you think that justifies being just as much a criminal as he is.

This is one reason I'm leaving CA. They're creating laws that have no effect on the criminal and in fact, will turn law-abiding citizens into criminals.
Another reason I'm glad I live in Utah!!! I can buy and sell via private party without any state or federal intervention! In fact we have two websites dealing with weapons alone!

Utah Gun Classifieds | Buy and Sell Firearms for Free in the Exchange!

UtahGuns.com - Buy & Sell Guns Free
 

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Anybody besides myself think this has more to do with the UN than any one countires desire to disarm its people. I am sure all the governments see the upside to disarming its public. But Australia, Canada, and the US all on board with it. Europe is almost disarmed already. Most of Asia.

World wide disarmament, world economic markets teetering. Perfect breeding ground for world war, or global government. Considering the disarmament, I lean towards the latter being THEIR choice.



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