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Mike,I have read all of your posts over the past several months of this delima we are in and honestly attempt to block the reality of it out my my mind.I decided to go the pool this afternoon and since this is an R-V Park there is an diverse population here and was interesting to talk to people from Canada to Texas and California to New Jersey. There is not a single person confident in our situation and scared of the future. While talking to people from different parts of the country I was watching the young families coming in to use the pool, the youngsters are so happy,excited and carefree.What is their future? we have no manufacturing,jobs,credit on and on.If all of us are in a world of hurt what about these poor souls. I feel someone has sold our country out some years ago and now coming to affect us in the worst way. I am worried the youth of our society will not enjoy the innocent life many of us enjoyed as the financial worries of families trickle down to the children in one way or another and add stress to their youthfull enjoyment.
 

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Try selling land since these past few years with ZERO consumer confidence. :mad::mad:
 

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I'm assuming you don't mind others chiming it. You mentioned that someone sold us out. That may be true to a degree. I would argue that we sold ourselves out when we became a society of convenience, self indulgence and instant gratification. People have been living as if the world owes them something and what they feel entitled to does not match their effort or accomplishment.
 

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I'm assuming you don't mind others chiming it. You mentioned that someone sold us out. That may be true to a degree. I would argue that we sold ourselves out when we became a society of convenience, self indulgence and instant gradification. People have been living as if the world owes them something and what they feel entitled to does not match their effort or accomplishment.

I ask the moderators Please do not move to Political,as IMO a very important issue for everyone to read and hopefully comprehend the situation we are in.

P.S. RJ yes we did sell the country when let out Steel Mills and many other manufacturing plants to close and move overseas. Just saying!!
 

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We all know we need to keep our money in the U.S. Quit buying cheap import junk and supporting those companies that have moved overseas. I personally am tired of calling india and arguing with them to get any warranty coverage..
 

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I ask the moderators Please do not move to Political,as IMO a very important issue for everyone to read and hopefully comprehend the situation we are in.

P.S. RJ yes we did sell the country when let out Steel Mills and many other manufacturing plants to close and move overseas. Just saying!!
That's my point. It is much more of a social issue than a political one.
 

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I'm assuming you don't mind others chiming it. You mentioned that someone sold us out. That may be true to a degree. I would argue that we sold ourselves out when we became a society of convenience, self indulgence and instant gratification. People have been living as if the world owes them something and what they feel entitled to does not match their effort or accomplishment.
I agree with this statement for the most part, but the question becomes how do we change the attitiude of entitlement....

Perhaps by reducing or eliminating entitlement programs. Or at least getting after the fraudulent claims....as it tends to foster a "where's mine" attitiude.
 

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I can see it this way, but i also believe that you choose and make your own destiney. Many children were raised in the 30's during the great depression, and that group did great things later on. While we dont have expanding mfg sectors, we have expanding technological job fields and other opportunities that they did not. I believe it boils down to....how hungry are you? Better make sure your hungrier than the other guy, or he will get your dinner
 

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I'm assuming you don't mind others chiming it. You mentioned that someone sold us out. That may be true to a degree. I would argue that we sold ourselves out when we became a society of convenience, self indulgence and instant gratification. People have been living as if the world owes them something and what they feel entitled to does not match their effort or accomplishment.
Agree. Too many years of endless prosperity with minimal effort and credit have wrecked alot of people's perspective on whats what. And the kids that were of age to notice this behavior and soak it in....are gonna have a hard time rolling up thier sleeves just to get by.
 

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I definitely think our kids and grandkids are going to have a tougher time of it.

The Mandelon plan: Next years budget = last years revenues - 10%. The surplus goes to pay off the debt. Once its paid off, and then repay back the borrowed funds from Social Security. Then lower taxes.

Cut out any non essential programs. Cut back all the others.
 

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I'm an older person,65 year old, I had it pretty good except for the last ten years, I've had to tighten up quite a bit in that time. I think the upcomming generation is going to have to restructure the whole way the USA operates this country. Too many things have been given away due to restrictions on pollution requirements put in effect here and the free trade agreements that have been implemented in the last 30 years. No import tax on most of the things that come here hurt our home base economy and force our manufacturing offshore to other countries.There is more to it but I think you get the drift of what I mean.:)coffee
 

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Mike,I have read all of your posts over the past several months of this delima we are in and honestly attempt to block the reality of it out my my mind.I decided to go the pool this afternoon and since this is an R-V Park there is an diverse population here and was interesting to talk to people from Canada to Texas and California to New Jersey. There is not a single person confident in our situation and scared of the future. While talking to people from different parts of the country I was watching the young families coming in to use the pool, the youngsters are so happy,excited and carefree.What is their future? we have no manufacturing,jobs,credit on and on.If all of us are in a world of hurt what about these poor souls. I feel someone has sold our country out some years ago and now coming to affect us in the worst way. I am worried the youth of our society will not enjoy the innocent life many of us enjoyed as the financial worries of families trickle down to the children in one way or another and add stress to their youthfull enjoyment.
I'm assuming you don't mind others chiming it. You mentioned that someone sold us out. That may be true to a degree. I would argue that we sold ourselves out when we became a society of convenience, self indulgence and instant gratification. People have been living as if the world owes them something and what they feel entitled to does not match their effort or accomplishment.
JD yes my posts do indicate how I feel about our future so I won't retype any of it, it's easily searchable.

I will suggest as I have elsewhere that EVERYONE rent and absorb this movie. ... In my opinion it is everything that is wrong with our economy today. Corruption and greed know few limits.

Inside Job - Movie Website for the Documentary Film

Today in Parker at the boat races I spoke with many people. I did not come across one that was optimistic about the economy or their own situation for that matter. Many are just squeaking by. Many other are just not at the races (boat counts are suffering and there is one common denominator (no one has any money).

With gasoline well on its way to $5 a gallon I certainly am not optimistic. An yes I feel our young people's futures are in great peril, as is our country's, as we know it.

Rodjen I agree to a point but I think, as described in great detail in the movie link above, that many were simply baited into spending more than they could afford. Certainly some of the blame lies with individuals that overspent. I also believe the lions share of the responsibility for this mess lies within government , past and present, and with the wall street tycoons who walked away from all this scott free and very rich. The middle class is eroding away in the U.S. regardless of what the limited number that happen to be doing well right now would like you to believe. Our government is out of control and the wolves that caused the problem are still watching over the hen house.
 

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I noticed that movie is on ppv on dish
Last night
Started to watch it but did not want to ruin my evening
Talking with my children they say the smart ones are getting the best education and moving out of the USA
They see this as the only way to keep a bigger part of what they earn
My children cannot believe how much we pay in taxes and can't understand how many times the same dollar gets taxed
So it looks to me this generation is going to bail on us and I don't blame them


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I am hoping people will finally get fed up and WAKE up. Unfortunately, it will probably have to get worse before that happens.

Trying to keep it non-political so I will just tell what we are trying to do.

Reduce our spending. We do not NEED to reduce it, but we do not know what the future holds. We are concerned that it will be very difficult for our son and his future family to maintain a decent lifestyle. We are planning to have to help in that regard. Don't get me wrong he will have work hard and be smart with his money or he will not see any from us. However, if he is a hard worker and keeps his nose clean then we will be there to make sure his family will be ok. Grand kids will not have to worry about collage etc...

Just not sure what else to do. I guess in a nut shell is to try and build "family" wealth. Try to insulate ourselves from the effects of government as much as possible.
 

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So how do we do it? We all know there is a problem, so how do you fix it? We all had high hopes for Obama, but with his message of change that has done nothing but fall pretty flat. So it is not a matter of republican or democrat it is how do we get someone in office that truly stands for the people and truly reduces runaway government spending. BTW Rex the movie nailed it on so many levels.
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This is not the first time the US has encountered tough times. I can say from 60 years experience that it's all cyclical. It will get better and then worse again. One good thing I've observed is that more people in our country are more conscious of spending and saving, which is a very good thing . Let's not forget that regardless of our ups and downs, Americans continue to live in the best country in the world. Again, let's not forget this. Another thing I've noticed recently is that we seem to have become a nation of complainers. WTF???? My guess is that the majority of those on these boards who are the biggest complainers live wonderful and happy lives. Could things be better??? Always, But sometimes people forget how much worse it all could be.

Also, I wish that people would understand that SS and medicare are not part our debt or deficit. If funding for these safety net programs, for our seniors, is not enough, weed out the waste and increase funding as needed. It's not rocket science.
 

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I follow politics now quite a bit, not because I enjoy it but because I want to understand why we're in this mess. One thing I see everyone use is the term "we". This drives me crazy because too many times the person doing the talking doesn't represent me or my view. When I hear people say "we" all have to share in the sacrifice to save the country, I ask myself why? "We" includes way too many groups of people that don't have the same vision. Me, I'm a conservative. I'm also self employed, but I'm a one man show. If I don't go to work I don't get paid. If I screw up I have to pay the price to fix it If the government decides I didn't pay enough in taxes I get audited and penalized if they deem it insufficient. If my income doesn't cover my expenses I have a problem, not "we" have a problem. So when I here some tell me I need to contribute more, give more, trust more, do more, my first response is how much skin do you have in the game? What's your sacrifice? How much do you contribute? I personally don't think big government is the answer, rather more the problem. "We" have created this mess with people thinking that just being in America, citizen or not, they're entitled to a livelihood or life style. I shouldn't have to want. They've confused want with need. Our government currently is trying to be the provider for way too many families providing a roof, food, income, education, health care. Point I'm trying to make is, less than 50% of working Americans pay the bills for everyone! "WE" all need to be on the same end of the rope and pulling the same direction. As long as the people making the policies have personal agendas and ideals which they put before the good of the country, we're in trouble. As long as we allow people to choose not to be contributing members and leach off the rest of society we're in trouble.
 

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This is not the first time the US has encountered tough times. I can say from 60 years experience that it's all cyclical. It will get better and then worse again. One good thing I've observed is that more people in our country are more conscious of spending and saving, which is a very good thing . Let's not forget that regardless of our ups and downs, Americans continue to live in the best country in the world. Again, let's not forget this. Another thing I've noticed recently is that we seem to have become a nation of complainers. WTF???? My guess is that the majority of those on these boards who are the biggest complainers live wonderful and happy lives. Could things be better??? Always, But sometimes people forget how much worse it all could be.

Also, I wish that people would understand that SS and medicare are not part our debt or deficit. If funding for these safety net programs, for our seniors, is not enough, weed out the waste and increase funding as needed. It's not rocket science.
It's interesting as Mike said I have not talked to one person who has good thoughts of where things are now and are headed.I personally think we have never seen anything like this in our past,things are completly different and complex with world trade and our dependence on foreign oil.Then being in three wars,Wall Street fiasco,unemployment,house foreclosures and banks not loaning money as was intended with their baleout.
Trust me I have not failed to realize how much worse it could be,just pray it does not happen as many feel it will.
 

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We all know there is a problem, so how do you fix it? We all had high hopes for Obama, ....
I follow politics now quite a bit, not because I enjoy it but because I want to understand why we're in this mess. One thing I see everyone use is the term "we". This drives me crazy because too many times the person doing the talking doesn't represent me or my view.

Case in point. I never had one shred of expectation for the current admin. And in fact it is going just about how I thought it would. Maybe worse.

One thing about the thread topic though, as it relates to our kids future, is that in a lot of ways there is little chance for them to have a life much like, say, my generation.
Times change, generations are all different. All we can really do is try to instill a work ethic and they, and their generation, will make their own futures, for better or worse.
There are certainly young people today with values instilled, and an understanding of how this Country came to be.
But it seems that the educational system, specifically at the University level, has journeyed far from those roots.
 
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