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Here's the deal and the only options - PERIOD!
You either vote for Romney or you vote for Obama.
Neither will be perfect but the choice is crystal clear after these past three and 1/2 years.
 

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Here's the deal and the only options - PERIOD!
You either vote for Romney or you vote for Obama.
Neither will be perfect but the choice is crystal clear after these past three and 1/2 years.
Well said! Our country can't stand another 4 years of this. And as he said to the Russian out going Pres., "I will have more flexibility after the election". Expect worse!
 

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Well said! Our country can't stand another 4 years of this. And as he said to the Russian out going Pres., "I will have more flexibility after the election". Expect worse!
X 16.4. Worse is right. Only the insane would vote this imbecile back into office expecting something different! :)sphss
 

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Romney is a shit sandwich on white with fancy Champagne, Obama is a shit sandwich on wheat with Coors beer...... Same shit sandwich:)st
 

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Romney is a shit sandwich on white with fancy Champagne, Obama is a shit sandwich on wheat with Coors beer...... Same shit sandwich:)st
So I guess you are a Coors drinker?
 

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Here's the deal and the only options - PERIOD!
You either vote for Romney or you vote for Obama.
Neither will be perfect but the choice is crystal clear after these past three and 1/2 years.
For any halfway rational person, you are exactly correct Doc.

However, if you can, imagine for a moment the idealistic workings of a mind not quite in touch with reality.
This type of person could be described as a "Crusader" in their own mind, but in practice it isn't nearly as romantic.

The person will expound about voting for the sane choice (third party) and speak incessantly about not partaking in the process by voting for the evil, money driven ruling parties..
He will, in effect, remove himself from the vote, give HELP to the atrocity now in office towards re-election, and then blame those who cast their vote rationally for either the Dems, or Reps, as being 100% at fault.

It is a cop out of the highest order, and effectively (at least in his mind) removes himself from blame, and grants plausible deniability to himself.

I hold more respect for an outright O supporter than I do this type of person.
At least an O supporter stands by what they feel is right, however misguided and ludicrous their reasoning.
Like RAM, for instance. Nothing "wishy washy" about him, no matter how "wrong" we think he is.

In short...there is the way it "outta be", and there is the way it is.
A vote for 3rd party IS a vote for O by proxy.
 

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For any halfway rational person, you are exactly correct Doc.

However, if you can, imagine for a moment the idealistic workings of a mind not quite in touch with reality.This type of person could be described as a "Crusader" in their own mind, but in practice it isn't nearly as romantic.

The person will expound about voting for the sane choice (third party) and speak incessantly about not partaking in the process by voting for the evil, money driven ruling parties..
He will, in effect, remove himself from the vote, give HELP to the atrocity now in office towards re-election, and then blame those who cast their vote rationally for either the Dems, or Reps, as being 100% at fault.

It is a cop out of the highest order, and effectively (at least in his mind) removes himself from blame, and grants plausible deniability to himself.

I hold more respect for an outright O supporter than I do this type of person.
At least an O supporter stands by what they feel is right, however misguided and ludicrous their reasoning.
Like RAM, for instance. Nothing "wishy washy" about him, no matter how "wrong" we think he is.

In short...there is the way it "outta be", and there is the way it is.
A vote for 3rd party IS a vote for O by proxy.
Damn....now theres the understatement of the week.
 

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For any halfway rational person, you are exactly correct Doc.

However, if you can, imagine for a moment the idealistic workings of a mind not quite in touch with reality.
This type of person could be described as a "Crusader" in their own mind, but in practice it isn't nearly as romantic.

The person will expound about voting for the sane choice (third party) and speak incessantly about not partaking in the process by voting for the evil, money driven ruling parties..
He will, in effect, remove himself from the vote, give HELP to the atrocity now in office towards re-election, and then blame those who cast their vote rationally for either the Dems, or Reps, as being 100% at fault.

It is a cop out of the highest order, and effectively (at least in his mind) removes himself from blame, and grants plausible deniability to himself.

I hold more respect for an outright O supporter than I do this type of person.
At least an O supporter stands by what they feel is right, however misguided and ludicrous their reasoning.
Like RAM, for instance. Nothing "wishy washy" about him, no matter how "wrong" we think he is.

In short...there is the way it "outta be", and there is the way it is.
A vote for 3rd party IS a vote for O by proxy.


So here we are once again back at the time honored every four years jerk off session of "lesser of two evils" presidential choices presented to us by the same basic elities.:))ThumbsDwn Don't you ever get tired of that same old game we are presented with??? It is a joke! All the nillions of mindless ones who will continue to play the two party game are the suckers and why we middle class people are bogged down in economic quicksand......The mega wealthy aren't suffering, the government isn't suffering, the banks/wallstreet isn't suffering. All were rescued by us taxpayer's money. However Joe and Jane Sixpack's family is suffering!
Time has come to climb out of the two party sewer ditch. Now is as great a time as ever if Johnson and Paul are the ticket..
BTW, Speaking of lesser of two evils Thatguy, If you must eat a shit sandwich, I believe wheat bread and beer is probably healthier than white bread and champagne.:)Unsure
 

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So here we are once again back at the time honored every four years jerk off session of "lesser of two evils" presidential choices presented to us by the same basic elities.:))ThumbsDwn Don't you ever get tired of that same old game we are presented with??? It is a joke! All the nillions of mindless ones who will continue to play the two party game are the suckers and why we middle class people are bogged down in economic quicksand......The mega wealthy aren't suffering, the government isn't suffering, the banks/wallstreet isn't suffering. All were rescued by us taxpayer's money. However Joe and Jane Sixpack's family is suffering!
Time has come to climb out of the two party sewer ditch. Now is as great a time as ever if Johnson and Paul are the ticket..
BTW, Speaking of lesser of two evils Thatguy, If you must eat a shit sandwich, I believe wheat bread and beer is probably healthier than white bread and champagne.:)Unsure
Yes, I do get tired of it. Just like You.
But I realize that THIS is not the time for righteous posturing.
The cost is just too great this time.
Wait for the next one to make a stand Z, or there just might not be a next time.
 

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If you must eat a shit sandwich, I believe wheat bread and beer is probably healthier than white bread and champagne.:)Unsure
Sounds like you eat a lot of shit sandwiches.

It is a vote for the lesser of two evils, but a vote for Johnson is a vote for Obama. There is no way I could ever vote for Obama or do anything to support him in attaining another 4 years as POTUS. We need change, a change of office!
 

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I understand this thinking... I guess I'm more fed up with the corrupted political system than I am with Obama's policies......You guys on the other hand would seem to accept any political system if it meant getting rid of Obama. Hypothetically would you ? Would a Romney / Millitary coup for example be better for you than Obama winning another term?
 

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I understand this thinking... I guess I'm more fed up with the corrupted political system than I am with Obama's policies......You guys on the other hand would seem to accept any political system if it meant getting rid of Obama. Hypothetically would you ? Would a Romney / Millitary coup for example be better for you than Obama winning another term?
Z, an Alfred E. Nueman/ headless zombie army coup would be better for ALL of us than another 4 years of O.

A Joe Biden default administration would ROCK compared to this, at least he is just TOO stupid to do anything...which would actually be an improvement on all fronts.

Can you IMAGINE what O would try to pull with the security of being a "lame duck" president???

He's already stated that the gloves are coming off in a second term, has stated that he could do much more without that darned pesky Constitution, has warned the SC against deciding against him.
Don't even get me started on Holder.....
 

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And God helps us if he appoints just one liberal Supreme Court Justice in a conservative's place. Remember the 5-4 vote? We will see the last of the 2nd Amendment, but that will be just the beginning of our troubles. :(
 

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And God helps us if he appoints just one liberal Supreme Court Justice in a conservative's place. Remember the 5-4 vote? We will see the last of the 2nd Amendment, but that will be just the beginning of our troubles. :(
Exactly..THAT will be the death knoll for this Republic.
As I said last week, the single most important person in this Country right now is the SC swing vote.
 

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For any halfway rational person, you are exactly correct Doc.

However, if you can, imagine for a moment the idealistic workings of a mind not quite in touch with reality.
This type of person could be described as a "Crusader" in their own mind, but in practice it isn't nearly as romantic.

The person will expound about voting for the sane choice (third party) and speak incessantly about not partaking in the process by voting for the evil, money driven ruling parties..
He will, in effect, remove himself from the vote, give HELP to the atrocity now in office towards re-election, and then blame those who cast their vote rationally for either the Dems, or Reps, as being 100% at fault.

It is a cop out of the highest order, and effectively (at least in his mind) removes himself from blame, and grants plausible deniability to himself.

I hold more respect for an outright O supporter than I do this type of person.
At least an O supporter stands by what they feel is right, however misguided and ludicrous their reasoning.
Like RAM, for instance. Nothing "wishy washy" about him, no matter how "wrong" we think he is.

In short...there is the way it "outta be", and there is the way it is.
A vote for 3rd party IS a vote for O by proxy.
Yes, I do get tired of it. Just like You.
But I realize that THIS is not the time for righteous posturing.
The cost is just too great this time.
Wait for the next one to make a stand Z, or there just might not be a next time.
Sounds like you eat a lot of shit sandwiches.

It is a vote for the lesser of two evils, but a vote for Johnson is a vote for Obama. There is no way I could ever vote for Obama or do anything to support him in attaining another 4 years as POTUS. We need change, a change of office!
A vote for a 3rd party in this election is a vote for Obama ONLY because of the 3rd party this time around. Last time it was a vote for the republicans when it was the green party. Everyone that brings this up is just pissed that the 3rd party is pulling more from their own rank and file rather than the other party. Until there is a 3rd party that can manage to pull equally from both parties, it won't ever be truly viable. If the libertarian party wants to use this, then they need to start going after more center liberals.

Personally, I think the founding fathers intended everyone to have one vote so that they could use it to vote for whomever they thought would be the best president. I don't think they intended people to treat it like a chess match like you guys want to make it. Yeah, I know this is the world we live in now but it's still a pretty damn good ideal. The presidential election shouldn't be a f&*king chess match. It should be about each person voting for whoever they think is best without even thinking about everyone else's vote or who might win based on how each person votes etc. It's disgusting. The system is broke just like most other systems in the US like the tax system.....

Everyone gets one vote so that there is an equal voice for everyone in the country. BUT, with the electoral college, it isn't even close to that. Voters in solid D states like California and voters in solid R states like Louisiana are left feeling pretty much left out of the process. Swing states like Florida have muuuuuch more highly valued voters. Their vote actually does mean more than a vote from someone in the other 2 examples. If I voted for Gary Johnson in Louisiana it wouldn't matter because our entire state would go to Romney anyway. But if someone in Florida voted for Gary Johnson, holy shit you guys would flip shit on him if Obama won. See where I'm going with this? Being in Louisiana, and thinking about the election like a chess match you guys want to make it, I could vote for Gary Johnson and it not be a "vote for Obama". If I lived in Florida, I wouldn't have a choice but to vote for Romney. So yes, because of all this political game crap, I probably will vote Gary Johnson because I live in Louisiana. If it makes you feel better though, if I lived in Florida I definitely wouldn't and would be voting Romney. Because my vote meant more.

Go ahead and call me a libby that's voting for Obama, but like I explained above, I'm not. I'm just using my vote as a statement instead of trying to pick a winner because I don't live in a swing state and I have that option.

Hope you understand.
 
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