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The unions have spent 30 million on this election and they bitch that Walker has received 10 million from outside the state.....Really???

From what I have read, teacher's can now choose their own NON UNION insurance and they can choose if they want to join the union. Union membership is down 43%. School districts have laid off ZERO teachers.

This recall will be a great step for America, if Walker keeps his job!
 

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The Dems are shitting on this one. They are recruiting from all over the country to protest. They know if Walker wins it will be the bigining of the end for the public sector unions across the country. Walkers policies are working and gaining popularity. Last I heard he had a 8pt lead. The mayor of Milwaulkee begged O to come but he refused. And to top it off O was in the area holding 15 fundraisers. He know's if he get's into it, and they loose it, will look bad for him. What F%$king coward he is. So ole Slick Willie went in. How sad. O has to enlist past presidents to do his job for him.
 

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The Dems are shitting on this one. They are recruiting from all over the country to protest. They know if Walker wins it will be the bigining of the end for the public sector unions across the country. Walkers policies are working and gaining popularity. Last I heard he had a 8pt lead. The mayor of Milwaulkee begged O to come but he refused. And to top it off O was in the area holding 15 fundraisers. He know's if he get's into it, and they loose it, will look bad for him. What F%$king coward he is. So ole Slick Willie went in. How sad. O has to enlist past presidents to do his job for him.
:))THumbsUpHow true!! Bill Clinton should shut up!!
 

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It's very hard to outspend unions since they are spending someone else's money. They create nothing but suck off the workers they represent then establish an agenda that helps the unions survive rather than their industry or members. The UAW is waving goodbye to much of GM, Ford and Chrysler as they escape the grasp of the unions by leaving the country.

This election will be really telling about how far the unions will go to preserve their organizations.

They must get rid of Scott Walker though because he's figured how to save upwards of a billion taxpayer dollars now by circumventing union strangleholds in a single state.
 

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I am against the idea of recall for anything less than legal reasons. Like being a foreign POS in the WH, or other crimes that amount to an impeachment. I was against the recall of Gray Davis. We jumped out of the frying pan and into the fire with that non English speaking Austrian.
using the recall for anything less than criminal activity is abuse of the system.
Gray Davis promised Junior College Teachers that he's sign the right of re-hire. His first act as governor was to veto this bill. He deserved to be recalled.

Because Arnold "FOLDED" to Maria's "Crack" isn't my fault.

Recalling a PIECE OF SHIT, including Arnold, is a good think for tax payers to be able to do.

I feel the recall is just one more way that tax payers have a say in government. And if Wisconsin's unions win this one there is always try, try a gun!
 

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It's very hard to outspend unions since they are spending someone else's money. They create nothing but suck off the workers they represent then establish an agenda that helps the unions survive rather than their industry or members. The UAW is waving goodbye to much of GM, Ford and Chrysler as they escape the grasp of the unions by leaving the country.

This election will be really telling about how far the unions will go to preserve their organizations.

They must get rid of Scott Walker though because he's figured how to save upwards of a billion taxpayer dollars now by circumventing union strangleholds in a single state.
Funny how Walker was elected after campaigning on the very platform of cutting Gov. His platform was popular enough to get him elected in the libby state. Now he has done exactly what he promised and the loosers(the Dems) start a recall. Funny though because he most likely already has the majority that elected him on his side already. And now that his policies are working and gaining popularity I think he will win the rcal election by a larger margin than the first election. Then after that it's going to spread from state to state.:happy::happy:
 

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Dues....

One very big issue was/is the "mandatory" union dues payroll deduction. No more in Wisconsin... And the teachers, cops, firefighters, etc, are deciding on their own NOT to pay full dues voluntarily... Apparently there is a clause that allows them to pay a "reduced" amount that excludes any funds for political contributions by the unions.... I think Walker should revert back to the old "power to the people" theme song..... Taking power ($$$$$) from the unions, and returning it to the people......
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One very big issue was/is the "mandatory" union dues payroll deduction. No more in Wisconsin... And the teachers, cops, firefighters, etc, are deciding on their own NOT to pay full dues voluntarily... Apparently there is a clause that allows them to pay a "reduced" amount that excludes any funds for political contributions by the unions.... I think Walker should revert back to the old "power to the people" theme song..... Taking power ($$$$$) from the unions, and returning it to the people......
Ray

If corporations are people as Romney says, then you think power should be taken from unions and given to the corporations ???....Perfect, f'n perfect :rolleyes:.. I believe the American people really need union power mainly to offset the total control sought by the corporatists who are trying for a fascist coup this Nov. We do not want that to happen at any costs.

Doesn't this seem eerily familiar to what is going on today ???


In 1936, William Dodd, the U.S. Ambassador to Germany, wrote a letter to President Roosevelt in which he stated,
"A clique of U.S. industrialists is hell-bent to bring a fascist state to supplant our democratic government and is working closely with the fascist regime in Germany and Italy. I have had plenty of opportunity in my post in Berlin to witness how close some of our American ruling families are to the Nazi regime.... A prominent executive of one of the largest corporations, told me point blank that he would be ready to take definite action to bring fascism into America if President Roosevelt continued his progressive policies. Certain American industrialists had a great deal to do with bringing fascist regimes into being in both Germany and Italy. They extended aid to help Fascism occupy the seat of power, and they are helping to keep it there. Propagandists for fascist groups try to dismiss the fascist scare. We should be aware of the symptoms. When industrialists ignore laws designed for social and economic progress they will seek recourse to a fascist state when the institutions of our government compel them to comply with the provisions."
 

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If corporations are people as Romney says, then you think power should be taken from unions and given to the corporations ???....Perfect, f'n perfect :rolleyes:.. I believe the American people really need union power mainly to offset the total control sought by the corporatists who are trying for a fascist coup this Nov. We do not want that to happen at any costs.

Doesn't this seem eerily familiar to what is going on today ???


In 1936, William Dodd, the U.S. Ambassador to Germany, wrote a letter to President Roosevelt in which he stated,
"A clique of U.S. industrialists is hell-bent to bring a fascist state to supplant our democratic government and is working closely with the fascist regime in Germany and Italy. I have had plenty of opportunity in my post in Berlin to witness how close some of our American ruling families are to the Nazi regime.... A prominent executive of one of the largest corporations, told me point blank that he would be ready to take definite action to bring fascism into America if President Roosevelt continued his progressive policies. Certain American industrialists had a great deal to do with bringing fascist regimes into being in both Germany and Italy. They extended aid to help Fascism occupy the seat of power, and they are helping to keep it there. Propagandists for fascist groups try to dismiss the fascist scare. We should be aware of the symptoms. When industrialists ignore laws designed for social and economic progress they will seek recourse to a fascist state when the institutions of our government compel them to comply with the provisions."
BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH. What the hell is this answer? Oh yeah you can't dispute the fact that Walkers policies have worked and Wis, which was near bankruptcy has a $100 mil+ surplus now. Yep let's recall him reverse it to where it was and go down the tubes.:rolleyes::rolleyes::duh::duh:
 

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If corporations are people as Romney says, then you think power should be taken from unions and given to the corporations ???....Perfect, f'n perfect :rolleyes:.. I believe the American people really need union power mainly to offset the total control sought by the corporatists who are trying for a fascist coup this Nov. We do not want that to happen at any costs.

Doesn't this seem eerily familiar to what is going on today ???


In 1936, William Dodd, the U.S. Ambassador to Germany, wrote a letter to President Roosevelt in which he stated,
"A clique of U.S. industrialists is hell-bent to bring a fascist state to supplant our democratic government and is working closely with the fascist regime in Germany and Italy. I have had plenty of opportunity in my post in Berlin to witness how close some of our American ruling families are to the Nazi regime.... A prominent executive of one of the largest corporations, told me point blank that he would be ready to take definite action to bring fascism into America if President Roosevelt continued his progressive policies. Certain American industrialists had a great deal to do with bringing fascist regimes into being in both Germany and Italy. They extended aid to help Fascism occupy the seat of power, and they are helping to keep it there. Propagandists for fascist groups try to dismiss the fascist scare. We should be aware of the symptoms. When industrialists ignore laws designed for social and economic progress they will seek recourse to a fascist state when the institutions of our government compel them to comply with the provisions."
Walkers policies only deal with public sector unions...not private sector so you analogy is flawed. I am not a fan of public sector unions. I have a relative that went through a recall election recently for the same reason....the public sector unions did not like his fiscally conservative policies and gathered enough signatures for a recall in his city. they did not however gather enough voters and he crushed his opponet by a huge margin. The recall election cost the city hundreds of thousands of dollars unnessesarily
 

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Walkers policies only deal with public sector unions...not private sector so you analogy is flawed. I am not a fan of public sector unions. I have a relative that went through a recall election recently for the same reason....the public sector unions did not like his fiscally conservative policies and gathered enough signatures for a recall in his city. they did not however gather enough voters and he crushed his opponet by a huge margin. The recall election cost the city hundreds of thousands of dollars unnessesarily
There is a vote today in San Jose regarding overhauling the $245 million annual Public Safety Union pension cost.
This amount is STRICTLY the pension cost, not operating costs.
10 years ago, the annual pension cost was appr. $73 million.
No matter how you do the math, it simply can not work.

I have a high regard for LEO and firefighters, they ARE the ones we rely on when shit goes bad.
But an average pension of $95,336 is an unsustainable amount anywhere, let alone an "average" small city in a bankrupt State.

The public unions ARE in for a beating over pensions. Some battles will be won, some lost.
BUT reform IS coming, it simply has to.


A Pension Battle Erupts in San Jose With Cops and Firefights at Center - WSJ.com

More links: San Jose public saftey union annual pension cost - Google Search
 

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Walkers policies only deal with public sector unions...not private sector so you analogy is flawed. I am not a fan of public sector unions. I have a relative that went through a recall election recently for the same reason....the public sector unions did not like his fiscally conservative policies and gathered enough signatures for a recall in his city. they did not however gather enough voters and he crushed his opponet by a huge margin. The recall election cost the city hundreds of thousands of dollars unnessesarily
You can talk common sense to Z's nonsense all day long, but you're just wasting your breath. ;)

Just like it is costing the state of Wisconsin. I remember back in 2000 in Florida the Dimocrats wasted a bunch of money recounting votes. Nothing new. :rolleyes:
 

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Walkers policies only deal with public sector unions...not private sector so you analogy is flawed. I am not a fan of public sector unions. I have a relative that went through a recall election recently for the same reason....the public sector unions did not like his fiscally conservative policies and gathered enough signatures for a recall in his city. they did not however gather enough voters and he crushed his opponet by a huge margin. The recall election cost the city hundreds of thousands of dollars unnessesarily

The recall is way into the Millions of $'s
 

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Walkers policies only deal with public sector unions...not private sector so you analogy is flawed. I am not a fan of public sector unions. I have a relative that went through a recall election recently for the same reason....the public sector unions did not like his fiscally conservative policies and gathered enough signatures for a recall in his city. they did not however gather enough voters and he crushed his opponet by a huge margin. The recall election cost the city hundreds of thousands of dollars unnessesarily
I fear you are trying to describe colors, tastes and smell to a brick when you speak of such common sense to this clown. hil:)
 

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There is a vote today in San Jose regarding overhauling the $245 million annual Public Safety Union pension cost.
This amount is STRICTLY the pension cost, not operating costs.
10 years ago, the annual pension cost was appr. $73 million.
No matter how you do the math, it simply can not work.

I have a high regard for LEO and firefighters, they ARE the ones we rely on when shit goes bad.
But an average pension of $95,336 is an unsustainable amount anywhere, let alone an "average" small city in a bankrupt State.

The public unions ARE in for a beating over pensions. Some battles will be won, some lost.
BUT reform IS coming, it simply has to.


A Pension Battle Erupts in San Jose With Cops and Firefights at Center - WSJ.com

More links: San Jose public saftey union annual pension cost - Google Search
Not only it is unsustainable in dollars we need to consider that public employees can take retirement after putting in their 30 years so we have to pay them for possibly another 30 [or more] years assuming they live to 80. Even FDR didn't think many would reach retirement and draw on Social Security since the average lifespan of people was about 64 when SS was implimented in 1935.
 
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