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  • Yes it was justified going into Afghanisatan

    Votes: 16 42.1%
  • Yes we should still be in Afghanistan

    Votes: 6 15.8%
  • No we should have not gone into Afghanistan

    Votes: 2 5.3%
  • Yes Afghan was justified but should not still be there

    Votes: 23 60.5%
  • Yes it was justified going into Iraq

    Votes: 12 31.6%
  • Yes we should still be in Iraq

    Votes: 5 13.2%
  • No we should not have gone into Iraq

    Votes: 11 28.9%
  • Yes Iraq was justified but we should not still be there

    Votes: 18 47.4%
  • Yes we should have gone into Libya

    Votes: 8 21.1%
  • No we should not have gone into Libya

    Votes: 26 68.4%

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Should the U.S. be in these wars? I'm curious on everyone's thoughts on why, yes or no.

Secondly, do you find it troubling or at least inequitable that we enter into a conflict within Libya, when historically we have ignored mass slaughter's of people in many other countries. Rwanda, Sudan, Mynamar, Congo, ... just a few recent of I'm sure many many more?

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We should be in Afghanistan until that evil s.o.b. is drawn and quartered. Just take the handcuffs off our boys and let them do what they are capable of and it will be over in a month or 2.
 

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We should be in Afghanistan until that evil s.o.b. is drawn and quartered. Just take the handcuffs off our boys and let them do what they are capable of and it will be over in a month or 2.

We've been looking for him for ten years! We have offered 25 million dead or alive finders fee! Our technology can count the hairs on a frogs ass! No radio / phone transmisson can be made without our listening to it! Still no results? Maybe the powers that run our nation need the bogeyman around to keep the sheep scared and mad ???
 

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We've been looking for him for ten years! We have offered 25 million dead or alive finders fee! Our technology can count the hairs on a frogs ass! No radio / phone transmisson can be made without our listening to it! Still no results? Maybe the powers that run our nation need the bogeyman around to keep the sheep scared and mad ???
Yep, 10 years......the problem is we are playing his game in his world..He could be anywhere...hiding under a rock somewhere and without somebody ratting on him, he won't be found using present methods..Kinda odd...we spend so much effort trying to find him and yet quadaffi is still free and he has the money to make another terrorist act happen and bin laden can't do much of anything......and he doesn't need to...it's the people who think like he does who are the problem...and they are everywhere.
We are in a war that can't be won... If bin laden was dead tomorrow what did we win? What would change? Would terrorism just go away?
Libya....that's our game...stand back and lob bombs at him...help the people who want him gone, to help themselves...let them do the dirty work...
 

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AFGHAN: Yes, we should have gone in a cleared the deck, hard and fierce. PC wars equal long and drawn out wars......with our technology and superiority we should have been done with the job 10 years ago and sat back and trained troops to help them.

IRAQ: Long supporter of getting this SOB out. He DID have WMD's. He was a threat to his neighbors and our allies and proved he would attack with our provocation, remember Kuwait? He slaughtered millions of his own people using said WMD's. He said himself he was actively pursuing Nuke technology for the purpose of building bombs. He also violated the cease fire at least 13 times, firing on me and my troops several times, which was 13 acts of defiance and acts of war. We could have been out a long time ago. See Afghan for reason.

Libya: We should have taken him out in 86/87. When the first attempt failed, we were sent to Spain to prepare for a follow up attack, no this mission never made the papers due to being cancelled due to diplomatic reasons. He has been laughing at us for 25 years plus and has made the US look bad. When the Muslims were asking for us a month ago to help, that was a huge cry for US by a perceived enemy, and we should have acted taking the lead and letting others follow. Since we don't have a leader, we failed and thousands have been slaughtered while someone golf’s and vacations safely in South America. PATHETIC.

My experience in the Middle East is that the regular Joe, the majority of these people, wants our help for freedom from these regimes, US missed a great opportunity with Muslims begging us for help in IRAN and Libya and no help from our Muslim President.
 

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10 yrs. is enough, the Afghans need to be put on a budget.
Fock the Iraqis, let them kill each other.
Now the muslims want help in Libya? Fock em, the cost is $10 billion a month, cash up front.
 

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We've been looking for him for ten years! We have offered 25 million dead or alive finders fee! Our technology can count the hairs on a frogs ass! No radio / phone transmisson can be made without our listening to it! Still no results? Maybe the powers that run our nation need the bogeyman around to keep the sheep scared and mad ???
This is the first time in that 25 years that we have actually had our military might on the ground and on the case. Just so happens he's in a country that wont cooperated in letting our guys in and isn't I.terested in sending their own military after him.

Unless of course you are from the camp of "there is no such thing as al-qaida" and if that's the case then we have a whole new set of issues to discuss.
 

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I find it interesting no comments on the second part of my question.

Now that Syria and Yemen are joining in the internal unrest climate in the news today, I wonder if the world will show concern when the killing starts and intervene with military action like Libya or if this is just about Gadaffi? I further wonder if the rebels in those countries are banking on it.

I realize Gadaffi shot the Lockerbie plane down and I'd have made sure he was dead then. But this is now. What are the civilian death requirements for the western world to show concern or take action?
 

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I find it interesting no comments on the second part of my question.

Now that Syria and Yemen are joining in the internal unrest climate in the news today, I wonder if the world will show concern when the killing starts and intervene with military action like Libya or if this is just about Gadaffi? I further wonder if the rebels in those countries are banking on it.

I realize Gadaffi shot the Lockerbie plane down and I'd have made sure he was dead then. But this is now. What are the civilian death requirements for the western world to show concern or take action?
You are probably feeling my frustration on wanting things to work out, historically has things just ever worked out? It has taken decisive action to change things. America's hands off policy till the absolute last resort as well as the worlds are why these problems get worse. Look at Somalia for example....we were there, Clinton pulled out like a coward and ran.....100,000+ are estimated to have been slaughtered after we left.......now look, even worse. Libya.....what is we had launched that second mission I was a part of and had taken him out? Possibly no Lockerbie, WMD program, supporting of Terrorists, etc. Easy fix early on but long term problems after.....I agree if we are going to act it should not be selective, but it should be swift and deliberate.
 

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To answer your second question Rex, I do not find that going into Libya but not the other countries you mentioned as distressing, but inconsistent with the idea that we are trying to rescue the opressed and spread democracy. I can not say whether going into Libya is right or wrong as I don't have all the facts. I do have reservations about the US invading any soveriegn nation under the guise of spreading democracy or saving the opressed because I do not think we need to be the world's policeman because of the enormous amount of economic strain it places on our country. I guess you could say I support to some extent an isolationist agenda for our nation.

I do think going into Iraq was wrong for the simple fact that the US administration at the time of invasion was looking for any reason to invade Iraq and finally settled on the idea that Iraq was manufacturing and stockpiling large quatities of WMDs. The problem as I see it is that the sources where the government got their information confirming that Iraq had large quantites of WMDs was highly questionable at best, yet that did not deter the previous administartion from their agenda. History has since shown since that Iraq did not have these enormous stockpiles of WMDs, was not trying to manufacture them, and was not really a threat to anyone. I can not think that our intelligence agencies did not have some idea that the sources claiming Iraq had WMDs were not accurate, but the previous administartion was hell bent on invasion, and it leads me to question what their real motiveation may have been. Unfortunately, we will probably never know, yet we will surely continue to speculate.
 

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To answer your second question Rex, I do not find that going into Libya but not the other countries you mentioned as distressing, but inconsistent with the idea that we are trying to rescue the opressed and spread democracy. I can not say whether going into Libya is right or wrong as I don't have all the facts. I do have reservations about the US invading any soveriegn nation under the guise of spreading democracy or saving the opressed because I do not think we need to be the world's policeman because of the enormous amount of economic strain it places on our country. I guess you could say I support to some extent an isolationist agenda for our nation.

I do think going into Iraq was wrong for the simple fact that the US administration at the time of invasion was looking for any reason to invade Iraq and finally settled on the idea that Iraq was manufacturing and stockpiling large quatities of WMDs. The problem as I see it is that the sources where the government got their information confirming that Iraq had large quantites of WMDs was highly questionable at best, yet that did not deter the previous administartion from their agenda. History has since shown since that Iraq did not have these enormous stockpiles of WMDs, was not trying to manufacture them, and was not really a threat to anyone. I can not think that our intelligence agencies did not have some idea that the sources claiming Iraq had WMDs were not accurate, but the previous administartion was hell bent on invasion, and it leads me to question what their real motiveation may have been. Unfortunately, we will probably never know, yet we will surely continue to speculate.
Amazing how people who have never served can analyze the military and intelligence community.......it just does not work!
 

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I will comment on the Libya story.

This is my personal view and probably because it is happening on my doorstep.

The US, Britain and France should have let the focknuts sort themselves out. Why are they in Libya - Oil - protecting OPEC and not the local inhabitant's.

Why aren't they bombing Mugabe in Zimbabwe - no Oil - but they are the worst human rights violators on the planet.

Every time the UN kicks somebodies butt in Africa the poor shits have only one place to go and that is South,to my fricking country.

We have a theory that the only way 1st world countries can stimulate their economies is by going to war, the middle east is shot to sh#t, they won't take on China, Russia etc, so what is left - Africa - they must leave Africa alone to sort out it own problems.

Things here are done differently then in Europe and America, some of the people here are still living in the bush, and most of them don't even know there are a France and Britain, UN fighting for there rights.

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I didn't see in the poll or Rexs post #8 where it said only retired military were allowed to reply. :)hand :)grn
Is that what I said? Or am I referring to analysis that is factually wrong (almost always) and based on a slanted view of military and intelligence protocol?
 

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Is that what I said? Or am I referring to analysis that is factually wrong (almost always) and based on a slanted view of military and intelligence protocol?
hil:)Factually wrong? Where were the large stockpiles of WMDs and the manufacturing facilities for them? It was on 60 Minutes less than a month ago the main source that US intelligence used to verify that Sadaam had WMDs was full of shit. WMDs weren't in Iraq after the gulf war. And don't act like you knew what was going on in all the closed door top secret meetings Bush had with his intelligence and security advisors, because you don't, even though you served in the military.

You can watch the 60 Minutes report for yourself:
"Curve Ball" speaks out - 60 Minutes - CBS News
 

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hil:)Factually wrong? Where were the large stockpiles of WMDs and the manufacturing facilities for them? It was on 60 Minutes less than a month ago the main source that US intelligence used to verify that Sadaam had WMDs was full of shit. WMDs weren't in Iraq after the gulf war. And don't act like you knew what was going on in all the closed door top secret meetings Bush had with his intelligence and security advisors, because you don't, even though you served in the military.

You can watch the 60 Minutes report for yourself:
"Curve Ball" speaks out - 60 Minutes - CBS News
Donk WRONG!!! I was next door after GW1 in Kuwait 6 years building things that killed bad guys,and everyone from the CID there on down was concerned about Saddams WMD's . where were you lippy???
 

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Donk WRONG!!! I was next door after GW1 in Kuwait 6 years building things that killed bad guys,and everyone from the CID there on down was concerned about Saddams WMD's . where were you lippy???
You're also concerned the Devil is going to get your soul if you stray from the Christian path, but there is no verifiable tangible proof of that either.:)sphss:)hand
 

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You're also concerned the Devil is going to get your soul if you stray from the Christian path, but there is no verifiable tangible proof of that either.:)sphss:)hand
Dude learn from your parents mistake ,Get neutered !
 
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