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okay fellas help us out here or give us some options:)bulb
my brothers motor in his tx is giving us fits and we are sick of it:|err
here is a run down.468bbc
he pulled a top ring land off of a kb piston several months ago,#4 cylinder leaned way out.so he bought a set of trw forged pistons and howard racing rings.
took the mill apart had his machine shop hone cylinders to fit the forged pistons and they polished the crank and vated the block new cam bearings ect.they installed the crank before he got it back from them.
okay he file fitted the rings for nos usage and installed everything else.
pistons are 10.1,heads are 049 castings with stock size valves but have ss undercut valves in them.intake is a weiand team G with a 750 holley on top.crane pushrods and crane roller rockers.lower end is stock.cam is a 306s by comp.
it has a 15 quart basset oil pan on it with only 12 quarts in it.
he had oil restrictors in it before it scattered and we are wondering if the machine shop put them back.
heres the problem cruising speed everything is good.hold it wot 5500 it will push a ton of oil out of left valve cover breather.i mean alot not a mist more like you are pouring it out.:mad:oil pressure is 55 psi wot and the covers have baffles in them.

it did not do this before the rebuild.what the f--k is going on it is really making us crazy.the motor has good compression,has used no oil up to date {except what it has blew out}.no smoke everything else checks out.
please help with your info,thanks travis:)hand
 

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I think you need to do a leak down test Just to be sure. Any chance the head guasket is covering up the holes at the end of the head or screen in the lifter valley not letting oil back down? If its running out that bad and isnt killing moskitoes I would say it isnt going back down.
 

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I think you need to do a leak down test Just to be sure. Any chance the head guasket is covering up the holes at the end of the head or screen in the lifter valley not letting oil back down? If its running out that bad and isnt killing moskitoes I would say it isnt going back down.
same head gasket as before 1037 felpro.no screen in the lifter vallley
tried to do a leakdown test but my damn guage was screwing up.the 2 cylinders that i did get it to work on it was 10-12 percent.

it does not smoke motor sounds freaking great just under wot it does this and only on the left bank:)bulbweird as hell.imo i wonder if the shop put 1 restictor back in and left other out,but still i cant see it pushing that much to the top.

okay im going to add some other info here.wondering if this might have some affect wouldnt think so but im gonna tell anyway:p
compression on #4-#6 are down from the rest.all of them checked 165-170 these 2 cylinders checked lower 112 on #4 and 125 on #6 wierd as hell and the #4 that leaned out before is doing the same thing again.:|errwe are starting to scratch our heads here me and brian are both not dumbasses at all and this is puzzling the hell out of us.

the valve cover that is losing all the oil has one hell of a baffle with a k-n style breater that is oil soaked:mad:the other side right bank has no baffle in the valve cover and pcv valve going to the carb and it does just great.why just 1 side :)bulb
 

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112 and 125 means you better take it apart. Is it possible it is running lean and those are the cylinders that show it first? Maybe an other issue causing it. Those 50-60lbs of compresion have to go somewere.
 

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all plugs look right on the money as far as plug reading,except #4 that let go before,the mill has maybe 5 hours total run time and the plug looks like you took it out of the box.but imo that is not goona cause oil to blow out of the vavle breather like that.we are trying to take it one step at a time.:)devilso far it sucks,lol!!!!!
 

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Did you use conventional rings, or zero gap second rings? I had massive blowby with hot oil shooting on the kids, then i put in the ZGS rings, and it stopped.

Second problem - excess oil in the top end. Are your pushrods restricted? Did you make sure the oil returns out of the heads is good, i.e. no gasket corners sticking out, did put the magnets directly in the path, etc.?
 

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Compression loss

First use the old school way to see if the compression loss is rings or valves. Squirt a little Marvel or plain old 30wt in the low cylinders and re test the compression on those 2 cylinders. IF the compression comes up it would indicate the compression is slipping past the rings. This CAN create way too much crankcase pressure and push the oil out the breather at a faster rate than the PCV valve can evac the pan.........If the compression does not come up it would be bad valve sealing when closed. I don't know what type breathers you're running but I would try sealing the breather on the PCV side and make the motor "suck in" on the other side. Be careful here because you could push the front and rear seals, as well as the intake end seals, out of it. IMO, you may have broken rings in those two holes, or a pushed out head gasket on the valley side of the head. The gasket would cause a lot of crankcase pressure, too much for most pan evac systems, and way more than a PCV valve can overcome.......Happy hunting......Oh, and good luck.............Ray
 

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If you file fit the rings for nos the gaps are much wider than normal. Crank case pressures will be higher because of this and you need to relieve it with a pan-e-vac system or a vacuum pump. Not saying this is why you are having this problem but can be a large contributor. #'s 4&6 need to be looked at and yes a leakdown test is the best way to go. Not a big fan of a compression tester to diagnose problems. They just let you know that you "might" have one.
 

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If you file fit the rings for nos the gaps are much wider than normal. Crank case pressures will be higher because of this and you need to relieve it with a pan-e-vac system or a vacuum pump. Not saying this is why you are having this problem but can be a large contributor. #'s 4&6 need to be looked at and yes a leakdown test is the best way to go. Not a big fan of a compression tester to diagnose problems. They just let you know that you "might" have one.
same thing here trav, i run big gapped rings for nitrous and you know what i had to do to control that;) its time to put a puke tank on bri's boat, i know he just got the headers coated so evacs are outta the question i bet.
 

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same thing here trav, i run big gapped rings for nitrous and you know what i had to do to control that;) its time to put a puke tank on bri's boat, i know he just got the headers coated so evacs are outta the question i bet.
thats what we are thinking about doing tom;)but it still shouldnt push that much oil out,i mean its like the exxon valdez when wot,other than that all is good.:|err

yeah we are gonna address the compression situation but for know we both have had our share of problems and want to run our boats.it is just makes him mad he has had problem after problem.:)sphss
 

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thats what we are thinking about doing tom;)but it still shouldnt push that much oil out,i mean its like the exxon valdez when wot,other than that all is good.:|err

yeah we are gonna address the compression situation but for know we both have had our share of problems and want to run our boats.it is just makes him mad he has had problem after problem.:)sphss
have him check out those puke tanks that hang off the back of the breathers trav, they sure work good and are easy to mount. my tank gets in the way everytime i gotta do something to the pump:mad:
 

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Does the valve cover have baffels in them? I had issues with oil comming out my breathers at WOT and it was because i put my breather right over a rocker. At WOT it was shooting oil up into the breather and would go everywhere. My solution was these delio's i got from rex that have three levels to them, i was going to run a puke tank but ended up just hookin the breathers to the end of it and it has solved my problem.

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Does the valve cover have baffels in them? I had issues with oil comming out my breathers at WOT and it was because i put my breather right over a rocker. At WOT it was shooting oil up into the breather and would go everywhere. My solution was these delio's i got from rex that have three levels to them, i was going to run a puke tank but ended up just hookin the breathers to the end of it and it has solved my problem.

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thanks shaun ill have him look into those.
he has got the ole cheap moroso valve covers the side that is pushing all the oil out is the side with a very large baffle made into it.:)bulb

as far as to much oil my ole man ran that 15 quart oil pan for 12 years and he kept it full never once did it try to push any oil out of any of his motors????good idea though.like you said be cheap try:)bulbbut i think there is more to it then that.i have never seen a motor extract that much oil at wot and run so good and not smoke or use any oil;)thanks to all good ideas,travis:)hand
 

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could've been to high, my motor is full when the dipstick says 1qt low, so that's me putting 11qts in a 12qt pan. regardless, i started runnin it where it showed to be 1 1/2qts low and it helped quite a bit.
 

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I run my 14 quart pan with a case of oil in it (12 quarts), thats plenty of oil and it helps keep the oil off the crank. I run a HV pump and always have good pressure, even when standing on it for a good 10-15 seconds.

Dave over at DNE talked about breathers being mounted straight up in some valve covers having problems with the air passing around them causing a vacume and drawing out oil... Maybe thats what your seeing?
 

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thanks again shaun.ive been talking to peeps today.and i think his problem is alittle deeper:)bulbto many other things arent adding up.none of this was going on with the other motor before #4 let go.all he did was have it honed for forged pistons and put them in and the file fit howard racing rings,something is not adding up.he done this himself as far as assembly.just very weird this is going on,2 cylinders with compression down 40-60lbs from the others and slinging oil out of the breather on wot like you are pouring it all over the back of the boat hell it even melted his damn carpet:mad:it was buring on the header then dripping on the floor:)Rant:)Ranthes had it with this thing gotten very frustrated,i cant blame him but we need to look at alot of other things:Dthanks guys,travis
 

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I must have been tired when i read your post because you posted that you have a baffel in the valve cover earlyer in the thread.. and i missed the low numbers on those two cyliders... Sorry :)

Sounds like that thing has a ton of oil comming out of it, also cylinder pressure being 40-60 low sounds weird to me... but hey i'm no expert. I always thought it should only be 5-10 lbs off. If your leak down is broken i would try CY's method. I remember back in autoshop thats how they tought us to do a leak down... Thats wasnt all that long ago for me, about 10 years ago. My teacher was old school.
 
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