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“A society that puts equality before freedom will get neither. A society that puts freedom before equality will get a high degree of both.”

“The great virtue of a free market system is that it does not care what color people are; it does not care what their religion is; it only cares whether they can produce something you want to buy. It is the most effective system we have discovered to enable people who hate one another to deal with one another and help one another.”

“If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in five years there'd be a shortage of sand.”
 

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“A society that puts equality before freedom will get neither. A society that puts freedom before equality will get a high degree of both.”

“The great virtue of a free market system is that it does not care what color people are; it does not care what their religion is; it only cares whether they can produce something you want to buy. It is the most effective system we have discovered to enable people who hate one another to deal with one another and help one another.”

“If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in five years there'd be a shortage of sand.”

Out of touch with what?
Both men are brilliant and have been the most outspoken against government entitlement for Black's. They have both been villafied by their own race due to their outspokeness, labled and stereotyped as "Uncle Toms". If there were more like them in the inner city schools, perhaps things would be different in the innercities.
These men have recognized the plight of the "Young black Male", identified why they "Choose" not to achieve, and have tried (unsuccessfully) to make change within their own neighborhoods. They should be lauded for their tremendous efforts for "Social Change" within their ethnic group!!!
 

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I've heard many interviews and guest-host radio appearances from Walter Williams...love listening to his perspectives. He's hardly out of touch...especially with the way he handles Mrs. Williams. :happy:
Don't know that much about Sowell.
 

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AND the clincher... Living proof that the socialist GOVERNMENT (Democrats / progressives) are NOT working to help minorities...

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Out of touch with what?
Both men are brilliant and have been the most outspoken against government entitlement for Black's. They have both been villafied by their own race due to their outspokeness, labled and stereotyped as "Uncle Toms". If there were more like them in the inner city schools, perhaps things would be different in the innercities.
These men have recognized the plight of the "Young black Male", identified why they "Choose" not to achieve, and have tried (unsuccessfully) to make change within their own neighborhoods. They should be lauded for their tremendous efforts for "Social Change" within their ethnic group!!!
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Lets put Williams and Sowell in the same room with Sharpton and Jackson and let them debate on TV live.
Will be just like Biden and Ryan........................
Biden with a knife and Ryan with a gun.
America needs more like Williams and Sowell to step forward, claim positions of power that make a lasting differance.
 

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Out of touch with what?
Both men are brilliant and have been the most outspoken against government entitlement for Black's. They have both been villafied by their own race due to their outspokeness, labled and stereotyped as "Uncle Toms". If there were more like them in the inner city schools, perhaps things would be different in the innercities.
These men have recognized the plight of the "Young black Male", identified why they "Choose" not to achieve, and have tried (unsuccessfully) to make change within their own neighborhoods. They should be lauded for their tremendous efforts for "Social Change" within their ethnic group!!!
The long timers here know that I admire these men and also Star AND their candor about what the DEMOCRAPic party AND the race baiters AND the Federal Government (with it's entitlement programs) are doing to our inner city schools/youth/black citizens...
 

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Lets put Williams and Sowell in the same room with Sharpton and Jackson and let them debate on TV live.
Will be just like Biden and Ryan........................
Biden with a knife and Ryan with a gun.
America needs more like Williams and Sowell to step forward, claim positions of power that make a lasting differance.
Agreed although Sowell being an economic Professor doesn't share the same public limelight as a politician. There is a black conservative movenment in this country. People are speaking out. Lloyd Marcus and Frantz Emmanuel, both members of the Tea Party are both vocal on ending identity politics. Kevin Jackson is another conservative black man educating and also working to end identity politics in America.
Anita Moncrief an ex liberal who worked for Acorn and is a whistleblower.

The majority of black democrats are brainwashed and for them to admit that they've been wrong for so long is also admitting that they have been used and fooled.

One of my black friends posted an ecard that read: Cutting taxes increases revenue said no economist ever.
I purposely corrected him with a Thomas Sowell quote and it went ignored I can't say whether it went unnoticed.



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There is no shortage of great quotes by Sowell. He's the very first person I ever heard say the liberals "believed" in what they THINK is the right thing, conservatives use facts to back up there actions.

I have said since I was a teenager in school that socialism, commmunism, and now democratic progressives are all a philosophy with this people. Almost a religion in their "belief" that all people are just equal, but on the same level and "as good as" anybody else. The insane part is that they are nearly as concerned with aquireing a Bentley, or a mansion, as much as they are in seeing to it that somebody else doesn't.
Its never been about raising up a class of people as much as dragging the upper classes into the gutter with them. They are simply screwed up individuals with a wack idea of self worth.


How can ANYBODY read these annd think the guy is anything but 100% dead on. What say you CVX? R&J? shue? H1986? da Mouse? Can you guys come on here and disagree with any of this, and please explain it without using the words "ITS THE RIGHT THING TO DO" This isn't the Sherwood Forest, its real life. Real life doesn't pass out T ball trophies for last place. As much as it bothers CVX.
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There is no shortage of great quotes by Sowell. He's the very first person I ever heard say the liberals "believed" in what they THINK is the right thing, conservatives use facts to back up there actions.

I have said since I was a teenager in school that socialism, commmunism, and now democratic progressives are all a philosophy with this people. Almost a religion in their "belief" that all people are just equal, but on the same level and "as good as" anybody else. The insane part is that they are nearly as concerned with aquireing a Bentley, or a mansion, as much as they are in seeing to it that somebody else doesn't.
Its never been about raising up a class of people as much as dragging the upper classes into the gutter with them. They are simply screwed up individuals with a wack idea of self worth.


How can ANYBODY read these annd think the guy is anything but 100% dead on. What say you CVX? R&J? shue? H1986? da Mouse? Can you guys come on here and disagree with any of this, and please explain it without using the words "ITS THE RIGHT THING TO DO" This isn't the Sherwood Forest, its real life. Real life doesn't pass out T ball trophies for last place. As much as it bothers CVX.

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Lets be honest gn7. CVX himself said he doesn't want to see people on the dole. Standing with their union makes them guilty by association and they would rather associate with failure rather than success because they think they need their Union.

I am mortified by the Chicago teachers Union needing a raise and refusing to accept accountability for the inner city children that they teach and are supposed to care so much about and in turn, they throw them to the streets for a week or so while they party in the streets and send their own kid to private school. The children they teach come out of 8th grade and can't even read.

The freaking Democrats are the ones who always throw out education reform implying money is the only solution and those big bad Republicans dont care about anyones education other than their own kids, yet they get paid by tax revenues which in turn are used to pay a private school for their own kids education.

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Yeah , they really care about the disadvantaged inner city kids. Its just like the Union brotherhood in Philly that I mentioned where they hand down union cards generation to generation. In Philly, you better know someone if your bloodline isn't getting you in.

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CVX may SAY he doesn't like people being on the dole. BUT he is the poster child for the "I am as good as you" or I am worth as much, or however you chose to word it. He thinks that the worker is entitled to as much if not more than the owner. He detests the idea that Henry Ford became a billionaire from the labors of his workers.
Inside CVX he hates the idea that he is pinned down in his thankless job working for a thankless employer. He feels that because he works for who he does, he is somehow ENTITLED to better. What he struggles with is that in REALITY, he couldn't cut it on the "outside." He may, if there is any justice in the world, get a chance to find that out in the near future.
CVX whines about anybody doing the same job he is and getting paid more. In CVX's mind, its IMPOSSIBLE for ANYBODY to be doing the job better than he is. Ask him.
CVX HAS TO work for who he does, He has NO CHOICE. I doubt he could hold a job in the same field in the private sector, specially without a union to protect his ass or determine his wages. His attitude is not conducive to employment in the private sector.
CVX is all for taxing the rich to death for one solitary reason. To REDISTRIBUTE the money, starting with under paid federal employees. His trickle down theory is, more in the hands of under paid under appreciated, over worked civil service employees, and let the money trickle down from their.
So he is all for screwing his fellow democrates on the dole. Simply leaves more for the civil service employees.



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CVX may SAY he doesn't like people being on the dole. BUT he is the poster child for the "I am as good as you" or I am worth as much, or however you chose to word it. He thinks that the worker is entitled to as much if not more than the owner. He detests the idea that Henry Ford became a billionaire from the labors of his workers.
Inside CVX he hates the idea that he is pinned down in his thankless job working for a thankless employer. He feels that because he works for who he does, he is somehow ENTITLED to better. What he struggles with is that in REALITY, he couldn't cut it on the "outside." He may, if there is any justice in the world, get a chance to find that out in the near future.
CVX whines about anybody doing the same job he is and getting paid more. In CVX's mind, its IMPOSSIBLE for ANYBODY to be doing the job better than he is. Ask him.
CVX HAS TO work for who he does, He has NO CHOICE. I doubt he could hold a job in the same field in the private sector, specially without a union to protect his ass or determine his wages. His attitude is not conducive to employment in the private sector.
CVX is all for taxing the rich to death for one solitary reason. To REDISTRIBUTE the money, starting with under paid federal employees. His trickle down theory is, more in the hands of under paid under appreciated, over worked civil service employees, and let the money trickle down from their.
So he is all for screwing his fellow democrates on the dole. Simply leaves more for the civil service employees.
Right now his job may be protected since we aren't sending the DMV and other government office employees jobs overseas yet.

Once their policy overloads us with more record breaking entitilement dollars combined with higher unemployment and debt and continued policy that sends jobs overseas, maybe we can start sending the government employees south of the boarder to compensate for all the illegal immigrants their President gave a free pass to. It would be cheaper.



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The biggest threat to CVX's job is private sector contract. It being done more and more in the federal, state and county jobs. It much bigger for the smaller governments, but the feds are catching on. Like I said in a post on another thread, there were construction trade employees on the fed pay roll. But they blew that. ALL airports use to be manned by federal air traffic controllers. Now the smaller muni airports are manned by contracted controllers. Again, they blew that. Its spreading, but not NEARLY fast enough. Can you imagine CVX doing the very same job for a private contractor, for less, KNOWING his employeer is making money on the deal? He'd go ballistic.



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Walter,
is my favorite fill in host for Rush :))THumbsUp

Tomas,
is one sharp knife that cuts right threw BS

If Obama had a brain he would have enlisted there talent
and unified America
 

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Walter,
is my favorite fill in host for Rush :))THumbsUp

Tomas,
is one sharp knife that cuts right threw BS

If Obama had a brain he would have enlisted there talent
and unified America
No chance in hell you would ever see Obama admit either is alive. If either of them had been arrested trying to get in his house in Cambridge, Mass. Obama would have had them sent to Gitmo! The only "beer summit" either of them would see is if they used it for water boarding.



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Great Quote;"-decisions in the hands of people who don't pay the price for being wrong".....Hmmmm.....I wish I got a bonus or golden parachute for F**king up, but rich people are different...They deserve money even if they don't do a good job....As for the whole welfare thing, I am basically against it, and prefer if there is anything there is a "Workfare" system, with a time limit.....But you guys just keep handing yourselves big double-digit pay raises while screwing your companies up and laying everyone off.....Aren't you great?

As for education reform, I beleive whole-heartedly in Pay-For-Performance......Do you? I know you hate the guy at the top who is for performance based pay raises........How exactly do you expect to make our schools better....Do it like the CEOs? Pay them MORE for FU? Give them a golden parachute for molesting kids? Or is that only for the rich and the "penitent"?
 

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Great Quote;"-decisions in the hands of people who don't pay the price for being wrong".....Hmmmm.....I wish I got a bonus or golden parachute for F**king up, but rich people are different...They deserve money even if they don't do a good job....As for the whole welfare thing, I am basically against it, and prefer if there is anything there is a "Workfare" system, with a time limit.....But you guys just keep handing yourselves big double-digit pay raises while screwing your companies up and laying everyone off.....Aren't you great?

As for education reform, I beleive whole-heartedly in Pay-For-Performance......Do you? I know you hate the guy at the top who is for performance based pay raises........How exactly do you expect to make our schools better....Do it like the CEOs? Pay them MORE for FU? Give them a golden parachute for molesting kids? Or is that only for the rich and the "penitent"?
CVX, you whiney little pussy. Have you EVER once, in your entire life ever been FORCED to buy stock in a company headed by a guy you thought was over paid and doing a shitty job? Were you EVER once, just once, FORCED to buy a product made by a company you thought was run by an over paid shitty CEO. If the answer to either or both is NO!, then shut the fuck up!

This is a free country where ANYBODY, including yourself is allowed to make as much as they thing they can get away with. Look at the FREEK'N union auto workers and teachers, and union government employees.

If you do not own stock in these companies you are snifflng over, then let the people who DO, deal with it. Its NONE OF YOUR FUCKING BUSINESS how much any CEO makes if you don't own stock in the company. THAT EVEN INCLUDES THE GODDAMN EMPLOYEES of the company. None of their fucking business. NONE!!!! If they don't like what the top man makes, then QUIT!!!! Go to work some where else.
Damn you are a freek'n mess you little whiney bitch!



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