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So I am a foreman for a drywall and metal framing company in Sac and we are an open shop. So 2 weeks ago a business agent shows up and starts hasseling (sp) everyone, so I tell him to get f*cked and get off the job, and after a while he leaves. Next day returns with a buddy who has a video camera and starts screaming in my face about water for the guys and fire extinguishers, etc, etc. This goes on for about 2 hours until the cops finally show and he gets escorted off the job, fast forward to yesterday, CAL-OSHA shows up and of course we had a gang box open with ammo in it and they started writing vioations. Any advice or reccomendations? I am lookin at some pretty heavy fines :mad: and I would love to find the business agent:):)punch
 

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So I am a foreman for a drywall and metal framing company in Sac and we are an open shop. So 2 weeks ago a business agent shows up and starts hasseling (sp) everyone, so I tell him to get f*cked and get off the job, and after a while he leaves. Next day returns with a buddy who has a video camera and starts screaming in my face about water for the guys and fire extinguishers, etc, etc. This goes on for about 2 hours until the cops finally show and he gets escorted off the job, fast forward to yesterday, CAL-OSHA shows up and of course we had a gang box open with ammo in it and they started writing vioations. Any advice or reccomendations? I am lookin at some pretty heavy fines :mad: and I would love to find the business agent:):)punch
Uh, pay the fines and don't let it happen again. :)
 

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You don't supply drinking water for your workers...these men aren't sitting in an air conditioned office pressing computer keys all day...their humping rock for crying out loud! SLAVE DRIVER! :|err
I'd send my BA to bust your balls too :D
 

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No water, open ammo, etc. Those are things that you should not do. You are lucky OSHA gave you tickets rather than somebody getting seriously hurt on your job. Just my opinion.
 

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I'm not sure what the procedure in your state is, but here you can fight that type of nonsense. As for all the harsh comments, do any of you actually work on a jobsite? Not in some trailer. The violation that he described could easily be used for the purpose of writing violations. That scenario could be twisted at any time for a violation. You can pick a jobsite anywhere, at anytime, and a guarantee I will find violations. There is a very big difference between men working and an inherently dangerous jobsite. Good luck.
 

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I'm not sure what the procedure in your state is, but here you can fight that type of nonsense. As for all the harsh comments, do any of you actually work on a jobsite? Not in some trailer. The violation that he described could easily be used for the purpose of writing violations. That scenario could be twisted at any time for a violation. You can pick a jobsite anywhere, at anytime, and a guarantee I will find violations. There is a very big difference between men working and an inherently dangerous jobsite. Good luck.
Yep, a lot of us are "very" familiar with contruction jobsites. Also, some of us are union guys and some arent. Either way, dangerous is dangerous. Granted we werent there, but you shouldnt put men at risk if you can help it. I am not saying he did anything wrong, but that is just a general statement I am making. And yes, some OSHA guys have a hard on because they are on power trips.
 

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I'm not sure what the procedure in your state is, but here you can fight that type of nonsense. As for all the harsh comments, do any of you actually work on a jobsite? Not in some trailer. The violation that he described could easily be used for the purpose of writing violations. That scenario could be twisted at any time for a violation. You can pick a jobsite anywhere, at anytime, and a guarantee I will find violations. There is a very big difference between men working and an inherently dangerous jobsite. Good luck.

So true! Nothing worse than some suit telling me what safe and what isn't....the guy never worked one day in the field:|err Walking up high and pinning your saw guard up are perfect examples:(:(
 

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Been there. The union made an anonymous call to OSHA claiming "imminent danger". By law, OSHA is required to respond (I think within 24 hours). OSHA will rarely leave a job site without writing a violation. I had 10 gallons of fresh, cold drinking water on the job and they wrote me for not having disposable drinking cups. They will always find something. It is not possible to have a 100% OSHA compliant construction site. You better get used to it. The union will not give up you. Best bet for you is to find a different gig. Serious. You can put up a fight, but the union has way more money and way more "connections" than you do. I went through that shit a few years ago. Hired attorneys, called police (harassment & death threat type of BS over the phone), local politicians, etc.... NADA. Not worth the money or stress to fight 'em. They are gangsters. You won't win. As for your OSHA violations, don't freak when they send you the $ amount. You can go meet with them and they will usually reduce the amount you owe by 50-75%. Good luck.
 

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been with the same union company for 30 years. everyone better watch out. work is slow and OSHA is self supporting. does not matter if you are union or not.:)coffee
 

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I would go visit some union sites with a camera and give a nice anonymous tip to OSHA. I guarantee they are not compliant either.

Of course this might start a nice a little war with the union thugs so just get the cement ready for the shoes!:)sphss
 

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I work for a large Gen Contractor here in So Cal and it is rediculess on how much paper work we have to do to cover ourselves from OSHA and other sue happy people. Weekly and daily "safety reports" is a big help when it comes to fines from OSHA, it won't get rid of them but it will reduce them. Just get on the OSHA web site and print them out and have your guy's sign them, it helps alot.
 

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I would go visit some union sites with a camera and give a nice anonymous tip to OSHA. I guarantee they are not compliant either.

Of course this might start a nice a little war with the union thugs so just get the cement ready for the shoes!:)sphss
You guys are too funny..Its has to be the unions. Not the scab contractors that dont care about who or what they hire to do the job. as long as the job gets done who cares if Jose has heat stroke from no way to get a drink of water. I would have called them on you also..

Yes I .been in construction for 20+ years and no job is completely compliant.

Oh yes I am a union worker. go ahead and bash me for telling the truth and not spelling things correct..:)devil
 

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I would have to spend double my cost of equipment to become 100% OSHA compliant. No way, no how is it ecomonically feasible. LOTO my ass, first let me buy some stock in Allen Bradley so I get a little ROI. Dumptrucks! OSHA and city planning commisions can kiss my hairy ass.
 

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The best defense lawyer for "alleged" OSHA violations is right in Sacto. He came from OSHA and thats all he does now. Got me off an "alleged" claim and walked all over them. Call him!!! His name is.....PM me.

and don't admit stuff on-line in writing!!!!!
 

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You guys are too funny..Its has to be the unions. Not the scab contractors that dont care about who or what they hire to do the job. as long as the job gets done who cares if Jose has heat stroke from no way to get a drink of water. I would have called them on you also..

Yes I .been in construction for 20+ years and no job is completely compliant.

Oh yes I am a union worker. go ahead and bash me for telling the truth and not spelling things correct..:)devil
Unions are so yesterday:)grn:)hand

You think with the overpay you guys get you could bring your own water... or is that to complicated for the average union guy?
 

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Unions are so yesterday:)grn:)hand
so you like slavery.

Oh I do bring my own water. but when a law states it is the contractors job then it is expected to be there in sanitary contaners and disposable cups.
 

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You guys are too funny..Its has to be the unions. Not the scab contractors that dont care about who or what they hire to do the job. as long as the job gets done who cares if Jose has heat stroke from no way to get a drink of water. I would have called them on you also..

Yes I .been in construction for 20+ years and no job is completely compliant.

Oh yes I am a union worker. go ahead and bash me for telling the truth and not spelling things correct..:)devil
oh BTW (= "By the way" for the the union guys), I said union because he did.
 
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