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THE MACHINE SHOP THAT I FOUND HERE IN TOWN ONLY HAS 6 WORKERS, THEY HAVE BEEN THERE FOREVER, WELL 3 OF THEM JUST QUITE! SO NOW THEY NEED TO FIND NEW PEOPLE, I WAS GOING TO HAVE MY BLOCK BORED 30 OVER, THATS ALL IT NEEDS , BUT I ALSO NEED A ROTATING ASSEMBLY , AND HEAD WORK, NOW NOT SURE WHO TO TAKE BLOCK TO, ANYWAYS I FOUND THIS ON EBAY, I KNOW I KNOW ITS EBAY , BUT WAS WONDERING HAS ANYBODY EVER HEARD OF 5 STAR ENGINE EXCHANGE IN PHOENIX? AZ. I LIVE IN EL PASO TX., SO I CANT JUST GO BY AND TAKE A LOOK, I KNOW ALOT OF PEOPLE ON HERE RESIDE IN AZ. I FOUND A 454 CRATE MOTOR WITH 450 HORSE FOR $3,145.00 I THINK FOR DELIVERY IT COME TO 3,850.00, WAS COMPARING PRICES , I HAVE NEVER HAD SOMEBODY BUILD A MOTOR FOR ME, OR EVEN BY A CRATE MOTOR , I WOULD PROBLY OPEN IT UP JUST TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS RIGHT, THIS MOTOR COME WITH A ONE YEAR WARRANTY, ILL TRY TO POST THE LINK... WELL IM HAVINF TROUBLE POSTING IT!!!!:)st
 

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THE MACHINE SHOP THAT I FOUND HERE IN TOWN ONLY HAS 6 WORKERS, THEY HAVE BEEN THERE FOREVER, WELL 3 OF THEM JUST QUITE! SO NOW THEY NEED TO FIND NEW PEOPLE, I WAS GOING TO HAVE MY BLOCK BORED 30 OVER, THATS ALL IT NEEDS , BUT I ALSO NEED A ROTATING ASSEMBLY , AND HEAD WORK, NOW NOT SURE WHO TO TAKE BLOCK TO, ANYWAYS I FOUND THIS ON EBAY, I KNOW I KNOW ITS EBAY , BUT WAS WONDERING HAS ANYBODY EVER HEARD OF 5 STAR ENGINE EXCHANGE IN PHOENIX? AZ. I LIVE IN EL PASO TX., SO I CANT JUST GO BY AND TAKE A LOOK, I KNOW ALOT OF PEOPLE ON HERE RESIDE IN AZ. I FOUND A 454 CRATE MOTOR WITH 450 HORSE FOR $3,145.00 I THINK FOR DELIVERY IT COME TO 3,850.00, WAS COMPARING PRICES , I HAVE NEVER HAD SOMEBODY BUILD A MOTOR FOR ME, OR EVEN BY A CRATE MOTOR , I WOULD PROBLY OPEN IT UP JUST TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS RIGHT, THIS MOTOR COME WITH A ONE YEAR WARRANTY, ILL TRY TO POST THE LINK... WELL IM HAVINF TROUBLE POSTING IT!!!!:)st
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The 1 year warranty would concern me you could go down the street and get a 18 month from jo blow.If your Gona spend 3500 n tear it down you might as wel build one your self and have some reassurance it is what it is.
 

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"Need more power? This engine combination would be outstanding in your car, street rod, truck, 4X4, or marine application"... or motorhome, or tractor, or lawn mower... and it will solve debt crisis, cure AIDS, and give you a handy. Act now and we'll send you a jug of that Peter Popoff's "Miracle Debt Cancelling Holy Water and Faith Anointing Tool!!!" Because God wants you to have plenty of HP and not go broke getting it.






Not knocking you... or even these guys really, I just like how people try to advertise to the largest cross section possible with a one size fits all approach... so I had a little sarcastic fun with it.

On a more serious note, please check into their warranty concerning marine use... some of the large engine remanufacture type folks tend to exclude any sort of marine use from their warranty. Also, are they selling a generic engine? Or do they build yours with your application in mind? I.e. clearances, cam and springs, etc..? Just something to consider.
 

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"Need more power? This engine combination would be outstanding in your car, street rod, truck, 4X4, or marine application"... or motorhome, or tractor, or lawn mower... and it will solve debt crisis, cure AIDS, and give you a handy. Act now and we'll send you a jug of that Peter Popoff's "Miracle Debt Cancelling Holy Water and Faith Anointing Tool!!!" Because God wants you to have plenty of HP and not go broke getting it.


Not knocking you... or even these guys really, I just like how people try to advertise to the largest cross section possible with a one size fits all approach... so I had a little sarcastic fun with it.

On a more serious note, please check into their warranty concerning marine use...
some of the large engine remanufacture type folks tend to exclude any sort of marine use from their warranty. Also, are they selling a generic engine? Or do they build yours with your application in mind? I.e. clearances, cam and springs, etc..? Just something to consider.
Man after my own heart. :))THumbsUp Excellent post and info!!!
Glad you left out solving world hunger and the cure for cancer. Those are the exclusive of Beer 30 and EFI.


I posted something very similar on a very similar engine that 2forceful bought from E bay, Same hype. But he put it in a street truck NOT A BOAT! There is a diiference. Nobody drives their car or truck UPHILL TOWING A TRAILER at 4000 RPM for very long.

Caveat emptor
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Those pistons are junk. No cam info. But it has "full roller rockers".

Were can I find me one of those "heavy duty" 2 bolt blocks?

Go find a four bolt and build it yourself. And use forged pistons...
 

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man after my own heart. :))thumbsup excellent post and info!!!
Glad you left out solving world hunger and the cure for cancer. Those are the exclusive of beer 30 and efi.


I posted something very similar on a very similar engine that 2forceful bought from e bay, same hype. But he put it in a street truck not a boat! There is a diiference. Nobody drives there car or truck uphill towing a trailer at 4000 rpm for very long.

caveat emptor
live by the bargin die, by the bargin.


0-6-9, clean up your act, or you could find yourself hated, banned, or both.:happy:
this is why i posted it, to get opinions, i have not called the place yet so i dont know if they build to your application or what, i was thinking that im going to have to drive out of town just to get machine work now so then i saw this and was thinking it might cost the same, not sure, can you explain what type of different engine work needs to be done to the motor as far as being marine? Im just asking because i really dont know, we put the 396 in the aquacraft, straight from a chevelle and only hooked up the marine stuff to it, and it lasted for at least 13 or 14 years. Im talking about machine work? When i take the block to have it done, is there anything special that i need to ask for, as far as tolerances? I have heard that they shopuld be looser, but that what i heard?
 

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Those pistons are junk. No cam info. But it has "full roller rockers".

Were can I find me one of those "heavy duty" 2 bolt blocks?

Go find a four bolt and build it yourself. And use forged pistons...
I'd say that you would want to consider what the inteded use is... if it's for a 21' open bow that tubes the kids around... speed pro hyperspaztic pistons and a 2 bolt block would be fine. If it is for some double throw me down drag nasty two seater 18' gullwing... then yeah... forged pistons (and not just any generic crap) and a 4 bolt block are a must... along with steel crank... etc... Application, intended use, and budget... all factors that need to be balanced.

I just don't understand why the op would bail on a shop that he has had full faith in before and because of personel changes, will not at least give them a shot once again. In business, sometimes people come... sometimes people go... but it is up to the owner to assure and make sure that the customer recieves the same quality that they have recieved in the past. I mean I can see if the shop changes hands and Abdul bought the place and fired all the old people and brought his cousins in... then yeah... no way I'm gonna go back to try.

gn: yeah... I always equate a jetboat engine to a station wagon with a loose-ass converter driving up hill all the time. Always above 3k rpm and always under a load.
 

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this is why i posted it, to get opinions, i have not called the place yet so i dont know if they build to your application or what, i was thinking that im going to have to drive out of town just to get machine work now so then i saw this and was thinking it might cost the same, not sure, can you explain what type of different engine work needs to be done to the motor as far as being marine? Im just asking because i really dont know, we put the 396 in the aquacraft, straight from a chevelle and only hooked up the marine stuff to it, and it lasted for at least 13 or 14 years. Im talking about machine work? When i take the block to have it done, is there anything special that i need to ask for, as far as tolerances? I have heard that they shopuld be looser, but that what i heard?
If you have a shop that you have been using and other than personel changes, is the same shop, I'd give them at least a second look and at least talk with the owner/manager/foreman to get a feel for if they are still up to par. Being a engine machine shop owner/operator, I know that I have to make sure that everything is up to my standards and how I want things done, no matter who works for me... because in the end it is my name and reputation that will suffer otherwise... and I have no intention of that happening. So, like I stated in the previous post, if these guys have always done you right before, and as long as they haven't changed ownership, or you haven't heard complaints from other folks... go investigate yourself. I am always in favour of supporting a local small shop over and internet bulk dealer... as long as the small shop puts out quality products.

If you do decide on the ebay especial... check their warranty on marine use... and ask if they build to your application, or is it a generic one size fits all. If it is generic... or if they exclude marine use... buyer beware... and hopefully, walk away. There is no reason to buy something that may work, but isn't right.
 

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if you have a shop that you have been using and other than personel changes, is the same shop, i'd give them at least a second look and at least talk with the owner/manager/foreman to get a feel for if they are still up to par. Being a engine machine shop owner, i know that i have to make sure that everything is up to my standards and how i want things done, no matter who works for me... Because in the end it is my name and reputation that will suffer otherwise. So, like i stated in the previous post, if these guys have always done you right before, and as long as they haven't changed ownership, or you haven't heard complaints from other folks... Go investigate yourself. I am always in favour of supporting a local small shop over and internet bulk dealer... As long as the small shop puts out quality products.

If you do decide on the ebay especial... Check their warranty on marine use... And ask if they build to your application, or is it a generic one size fits all. If it is generic... Or if they exclude marine use... Buyer beware... And hopefully, walk away. There is no reason to buy something that may work, but isn't right.
there was one machine shop that i used for a long time, the owner sold shop and retired, now the two guys that own the shop have a horrible rap, the other shops here are pretty much the same, all the older guys sold out or retired, now there is only like 3 or 4 shops here, there used to be more but it seems nobody is wanting to do machine work anymore or the owners just got out of the business. I have asked around and pretty much all the shops here have horrible reputations now, i have not had machine work done in about 13 years, and i have asked former racers here who always have machine work done, and they all have to go out of town now, even the minor stuff is getting screwed up, (bore/ hone, etcc.) i work with some guys that both had 3 different cranks turned wrong(egg-shapped) i support small shops, i have also had bad experience with machine work here, i have personally gotten fucked over three times before, thats why i have not had machine work done in so long. I will support small business if they do a good job, last time i had work done i spent $2,000.00 in machine work alone, and it was fucked up!!! Had to go to small claims court and the business owner did not even show up, i won the case, dont wnat this again, i believe in small business but i also believe in people doing good work, and that doesnt seem to happen anymore, especially around here... i live a couple of miles from the border, no offense to anyone, but some businesses here hire people from mexico because they dont pay them shit, and they usually dont have any experience, or they try to teach them as they go, maybe if i lived in a bigger city that did more machine work it would be different , just saying.
 

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there was one machine shop that i used for a long time, the owner sold shop and retired, now the two guys that own the shop have a horrible rap, the other shops here are pretty much the same, all the older guys sold out or retired, now there is only like 3 or 4 shops here, there used to be more but it seems nobody is wanting to do machine work anymore or the owners just got out of the business. ...
Believe it or not, much of this is due to having to compete with companies on E-bay selling "remanufactured Hi Performance" engines for 3200.00 dollars.



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there was one machine shop that i used for a long time, the owner sold shop and retired, now the two guys that own the shop have a horrible rap, the other shops here are pretty much the same, all the older guys sold out or retired, now there is only like 3 or 4 shops here, there used to be more but it seems nobody is wanting to do machine work anymore or the owners just got out of the business. I have asked around and pretty much all the shops here have horrible reputations now, i have not had machine work done in about 13 years, and i have asked former racers here who always have machine work done, and they all have to go out of town now, even the minor stuff is getting screwed up, (bore/ hone, etcc.) i work with some guys that both had 3 different cranks turned wrong(egg-shapped) i support small shops, i have also had bad experience with machine work here, i have personally gotten fucked over three times before, thats why i have not had machine work done in so long. I will support small business if they do a good job, last time i had work done i spent $2,000.00 in machine work alone, and it was fucked up!!! Had to go to small claims court and the business owner did not even show up, i won the case, dont wnat this again, i beleive in small business but i also beleive in people doing good work, and that doesnt seem to happen anymore, especially around here...
Well... sorry to hear that. How far out of town is out of town? I mean you can have someone build you something, or you can do it yourself. I will have to say that if you have everything machined properly, have some knowledge, and ability to check the work, then you'd have a lot more satisfaction in putting it together yourself. I just think that if you do go buy something, make sure you are gettign exactly what you want... because often times the difference between "eh... it will work" and "exactly suited for what I want to do" is not that much cost wise... but makes a considerable difference performance wise.
 

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Believe it or not, much of this is due to having to compete with companies on E-bay selling "remanufactured Hi Performance" engines for 3200.00 dollars.
sorry i started editting my post to add to it, but ya your probly right, but other cities like phoenix have a way better rep for performance enignine and machine work than we do, i would probably trust another shop somewhere else than here, just because i have been screwed to many times here, or maybe i could roll the dice and see what happens? thats why i started tinkering with the gt750, because im not sure which direction to go now, just because of the machine shops here, they are very iffyy,,,, some people get ok work done , but most that i talk to have had problems with most of the stuff they have done, maybe thats why theres not so many shops anymore, the work went down and they have no business.
 

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but some businesses here hire people from mexico because they dont pay them shit, and they usually dont have any experience, or they try to teach them as they go, maybe if i lived in a bigger city that did more machine work it would be different , just saying.

I know that reality all to well being in San Diego. The "eh... no es mine" attitude... the cheap labour you get, often times equates to the cheap quality and poor reputation you earn.
 

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Well... sorry to hear that. How far out of town is out of town? I mean you can have someone build you something, or you can do it yourself. I will have to say that if you have everything machined properly, have some knowledge, and ability to check the work, then you'd have a lot more satisfaction in putting it together yourself. I just think that if you do go buy something, make sure you are gettign exactly what you want... because often times the difference between "eh... it will work" and "exactly suited for what I want to do" is not that much cost wise... but makes a considerable difference performance wise.
im not trying to say anything bad about other shops , just my experience here, i would rather put the motor together myself, its just the machine work that is holding me back, im scared,,, i think that having or being a good machine shop is becoming more hard to find, sorry to rant and rave but after having stuff turn out bad more than a couple of times is pretty bad, and ends up costing more than a crate motor, or you may end up having to through the motor away completely if the work is really screwed up, i have seen that to, I am about 8 to 9 hours im thinking? from phoenix, its a long drive but not crazy, so may have to go up there for good work...
 

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I know that reality all to well being in San Diego. The "eh... no es mine" attitude... the cheap labour you get, often times equates to the cheap quality and poor reputation you earn.
THATS WHAT IM SAYING!!! I AM 5-MINUTES FROM JUAREZ MEXICO, WITCH IS HAS THE HIGHEST MURDER RATE OF ALL U.S. CITIES COMBINED, MORE DEATHS IN ONE YEAR IN JUAREZ THAN IN THE MIDDLE EAST,, IF YOU GET BAD WORK DONE , MIGHT AS WELL BE WALK AWAY , YOU NEVER KNOW:shhh:
 

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i know that reality all to well being in san diego. The "eh... No es mine" attitude... The cheap labour you get, often times equates to the cheap quality and poor reputation you earn.
the reason i didnt want to go back to the other shop is because the guy said he was going to look for some new people, and around here theres not many machinist, so i got kinda worried about having some new guy do my machine work, but like you said i should at least feel them out , maybe give them a chance, but the way the owner talked was like as if he didnt know what he was going to do because his workes left, so that was kinda scary..
 

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i've been to el paso and its not exactly a one stop light town. Can't believe there isn't a decent shop there. Why do you keep bring up phoenix. Albuquerque has to be much closer.
thats the thing, el paso is pretty big! And you would think that there would be more shops! Well there used to , but now only like 4 i think, your right alb new mexico is closer, i was looking into their shops, i was talking about az. Because i have friends that have retired up there, and they have had good work done, thats the only reason.
 
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