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If there's one area of the political spectrum where I strongly veer away from right leaning this is its core. I'm a strong proponent of giving a hand up to the poor, homeless, the elderly AND our veterans. I'm not talking about drug addicts. There are a huge number of poor and homeless in this country that didn't get there because they were dickheads or crackheads or thieves or sexual deviants. I've been on both sides of the poor coin so I know wtf I'm talking about. This idiot clearly doesn't have a clue of the valuable services the soup kitchens and shelters perform. When I read this kind of elitist shit it hits home and pisses me off to no end. With all the money all levels of government completely waste on moronic and stupid shit, discounting and kicking to the curb the lowest financial rung of humanity makes me see red.

Costa Mesa mayor seeks to 'put the soup kitchen out of business' - latimes.com

Costa Mesa mayor seeks to 'put the soup kitchen out of business'
Costa Mesa's Eric Bever calls charities that serve the homeless nuisances; people whose groups have worked in the city for decades say he's misinformed.

By Mike Reicher, Los Angeles Times

October 4, 2012

Looking to cut down on homeless services in Costa Mesa, Mayor Eric Bever has asked the city to investigate some of the city's most prominent and long-running charities.

Bever singled out Share Our Selves and Someone Cares Soup Kitchen, two decades-old nonprofits that dispense food and medical care to the poor and homeless.

The mayor compared the charities to nightclubs that have become neighborhood nuisances.

It would go a long way to solving the problem of homeless people coming to Costa Mesa, the mayor said, "if we managed to put the soup kitchen out of business."

The homeless population in Costa Mesa has been a stubborn political issue over the years, with some residents complaining that vagrants take over public facilities like Lions Park and the library in the heart of the city's downtown.

But the assertion that the soup kitchen and outreach center are magnets strictly to homeless people is off base, said Shannon Santos, the executive director of Someone Cares.

Santos said a survey the soup kitchen conducted in 2011 found that 86% of its patrons said they were from Costa Mesa, and about 40% were low-income seniors, many from the nearby Bethel Towers apartments, which serves seniors with modest incomes.

"There's a big misconception that the only people we're feeding here at the kitchen are the homeless people," Santos said. "I would love to invite the mayor to come in and see who we are really serving, and I think he'd be surprised."

Lions Park is midway between the two charities. Someone Cares serves hot meals daily, and Share Our Selves provides a variety of services, including groceries, clothing, mental health counseling and dental care.

Karen Mechlin, the director of Share Our Selves, said her clients are from Costa Mesa and other Orange County cities, and that Bever "should be proud" that "we are a center that's protecting the health and welfare of the people in the county."

Mechlin said Bever, who will be termed out of office in November, has never visited the center.

"He has no knowledge. His message is old," she said. "Thank God he is going out the door."

In about two weeks, city administrators are planning to meet with Santos at Someone Cares Soup Kitchen. Rick Francis, the city's assistant chief executive, said the city is limited in how it can deal with the nonprofits but will encourage them to focus on serving Costa Mesa residents.

"We can't infringe on the rights of the service providers to do what they do," Francis said.

Not all of the council members lined up behind Bever.

"They are Costa Mesa families, and I think that's where the mayor needs to step back," said Councilwoman Wendy Leece, a liaison to the city's Homeless Task Force. "They are Costa Mesa residents who have fallen on hard times."

While other Orange County cities have similar services, they might not be as comprehensive as those in Costa Mesa.

"In a perfect world, everyone would have their own self-contained service model so people wouldn't have to travel here," Francis said, "but we have to deal with the reality before us."

He added: "We're not going to snap our fingers and make these people go away."

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News to me that people on the right leaning don't support chairty.

I think if you went back and looked at who really supports it as a whole you'll find that the right is the right side to be on.
 

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Rexone,

I respectfully disagree about your comment the right doesn't care about the less fortunate

I live here in the Sacramento area, the Dems are in total control up here and we have sweeps to control the rivers and parks from homeless camps.

Like the Occupy group, we end up with rapes and murders and a mess.

I lived on Venice beach and watched the pan handlers for years
They would get a few bucks and drink it up and do drugs

I do think meals on wheels is a good idea for the elderly
and working with veterans to get them back in the work place

I am very much a right winger and I support my daughter going to third world countries as a doctor and giving aid to the less fortunate
And we are helping her get a masters in public health to add to her resume

I think soup kitchens are a balance, they do good but they can also be bad
ie people hang out with no public restrooms and local business can suffer
and they have rights too

Rexone, I feel your compassion and good for you :))THumbsUp

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Romney gave more than $2 mil to charity last year. How much did Obama and Biden give?

Ya.....right wingers are the group that gives the majority of the money to charities.....
 

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If there's one area of the political spectrum where I strongly veer away from right leaning this is its core.
So you really think this is the core belief of all Republicans???? WTF?
 

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If there's one area of the political spectrum where I strongly veer away from right leaning this is its core. I'm a strong proponent of giving a hand up to the poor, homeless, the elderly AND our veterans. I'm not talking about drug addicts. There are a huge number of poor and homeless in this country that didn't get there because they were dickheads or crackheads or thieves or sexual deviants. I've been on both sides of the poor coin so I know wtf I'm talking about. This idiot clearly doesn't have a clue of the valuable services the soup kitchens and shelters perform. When I read this kind of elitist shit it hits home and pisses me off to no end. With all the money all levels of government completely waste on moronic and stupid shit, discounting and kicking to the curb the lowest financial rung of humanity makes me see red.

Costa Mesa mayor seeks to 'put the soup kitchen out of business' - latimes.com

Costa Mesa mayor seeks to 'put the soup kitchen out of business'
Costa Mesa's Eric Bever calls charities that serve the homeless nuisances; people whose groups have worked in the city for decades say he's misinformed.

By Mike Reicher, Los Angeles Times

October 4, 2012

Looking to cut down on homeless services in Costa Mesa, Mayor Eric Bever has asked the city to investigate some of the city's most prominent and long-running charities.

Bever singled out Share Our Selves and Someone Cares Soup Kitchen, two decades-old nonprofits that dispense food and medical care to the poor and homeless.

The mayor compared the charities to nightclubs that have become neighborhood nuisances.

It would go a long way to solving the problem of homeless people coming to Costa Mesa, the mayor said, "if we managed to put the soup kitchen out of business."

The homeless population in Costa Mesa has been a stubborn political issue over the years, with some residents complaining that vagrants take over public facilities like Lions Park and the library in the heart of the city's downtown.

But the assertion that the soup kitchen and outreach center are magnets strictly to homeless people is off base, said Shannon Santos, the executive director of Someone Cares.

Santos said a survey the soup kitchen conducted in 2011 found that 86% of its patrons said they were from Costa Mesa, and about 40% were low-income seniors, many from the nearby Bethel Towers apartments, which serves seniors with modest incomes.

"There's a big misconception that the only people we're feeding here at the kitchen are the homeless people," Santos said. "I would love to invite the mayor to come in and see who we are really serving, and I think he'd be surprised."

Lions Park is midway between the two charities. Someone Cares serves hot meals daily, and Share Our Selves provides a variety of services, including groceries, clothing, mental health counseling and dental care.

Karen Mechlin, the director of Share Our Selves, said her clients are from Costa Mesa and other Orange County cities, and that Bever "should be proud" that "we are a center that's protecting the health and welfare of the people in the county."

Mechlin said Bever, who will be termed out of office in November, has never visited the center.

"He has no knowledge. His message is old," she said. "Thank God he is going out the door."

In about two weeks, city administrators are planning to meet with Santos at Someone Cares Soup Kitchen. Rick Francis, the city's assistant chief executive, said the city is limited in how it can deal with the nonprofits but will encourage them to focus on serving Costa Mesa residents.

"We can't infringe on the rights of the service providers to do what they do," Francis said.

Not all of the council members lined up behind Bever.

"They are Costa Mesa families, and I think that's where the mayor needs to step back," said Councilwoman Wendy Leece, a liaison to the city's Homeless Task Force. "They are Costa Mesa residents who have fallen on hard times."

While other Orange County cities have similar services, they might not be as comprehensive as those in Costa Mesa.

"In a perfect world, everyone would have their own self-contained service model so people wouldn't have to travel here," Francis said, "but we have to deal with the reality before us."

He added: "We're not going to snap our fingers and make these people go away."

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Mike, we see this occur in St Louis with larry rice and his shelter...

It is a really pathetic situation and Larry does a GREAT work for the homeless and doesnt discriminate between druggies or boozers OR Vets that are down on their luck and homeless...

Its a really great ministry and MANY MANY MANY solid conservative folks all around St Louis donate vast amounts of money and time and resources to his four centers in missouri...

Here is the rub for me, the Mayor of St louis HATES the work and doesnt want the "bad image" on St Louis and instead of tolerating or helping the situation he FIGHTS Larry Rice...

The Mayor of St Louis is a die hard Democrat lefty as is all the aldermen that are fighting Larry Rice and his ministry...

Larry is a good man, a solid guy and he truly cares and helps but in this case it is a DEMOCRAP lefty that is giving him a rough way to go...



Not wanting or trying to go tit for tat with you BUT the situation in St Louis is VERY bad in that we have freezing temps down below zero at times for several weeks in the winter and in the summer we have extreme heat that goes triple digits. End result is that every winter we have homeless people that freeze to death and poor or homeless elderly folks that die due to the heat in the summer… :(
 

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Probably not helping here and may not be a popular opinion and admittedly my comments wont help, but what weve seen locally is "If you build it they will come" , The Shelters in nearby San Luis Obispo are IMO "magnets" the surrounding streets and neigborhoods are littered, and lined with vagabond campers and decrepid motor homes , crime is an issue the creekbeds and undevelopped areas regularly have suspicious deaths , fights and drug crimes. It cant possibly not effect the safety and security of the neighborhoods not to mention property values . Yes there are legitmatley homeless , needy and downtrodden at these places but also an "element" that seems to elect to live that way traveling around shelter to shelter etc . again I dont have a solution I admit it Tom
 

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You bring up a very good point Tom. While everyone thinks that soup kitchens are a great idea, it's always a great idea in someone else' neighborhood.
My son and I volunteered at the local Catholic cathedral making sandwiches and handing them out for the poor in the Salt Lake area. They all know where the free stuff is and tend to hang out in that area. Urine, feces, trash, drug needles, ect. in the areas surrounding the cathedral is sickening. The cost to keep it clean is tremendous. And if you run out of free stuff? You are the biggest asshole in the world and you hate poor people!!!
I'm very much in favor of helping people out. At some point it needs to be helping them to get out of their predicament. What's that about give a man a fish?

In our state parks are signs not to feed the animals because they become too dependent on it.

BTW, some may think I'm cold hearted, but you'd be surprised as to what I've done in my life.
 

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It's sad to take one incident and turn a blind eye to the greater good of the whole charitable community. I would compare this to the Fullerton cops or a typical liberal ploy disquised as democracy.

Everyone knows about Trayvon Martin, I doubt any of you know about this white mentally challenged lady and the hate crime inflicted upon her as the accused video tape themselves beating her and follow the beating up by posting a video of it on fb.



UPDATE: Chester cops searching for girls in videotaped beating of 48-year-old woman (Warning: Graphic Video) - delcotimes.com

Adding a link, a study on who is the most charitable. Wolfie, you won't be suprised. Many of us won't be, it all points red for the most and left for the least. This is an NPR study, none the less.

Study Reveals The Geography of Charitable Giving : NPR



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Perhaps I should have been more clear. I should have indicated extreme right. Many of those folks are just against any form of welfare. And I meant the core of my beliefs, not the right. It was late and I could have worded all that much better. :))ThumbsDwn << on me.
 

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Perhaps I should have been more clear. I should have indicated extreme right. Many of those folks are just against any form of welfare. And I meant the core of my beliefs, not the right. It was late and I could have worded all that much better. :))ThumbsDwn << on me.
I think this comment is even more interesting. I don't know who you define as extreme right. For me, extreme right is Hitler, a fascist, Mussolini.

The left calls the religious folks the extreme right and it is a fact that the religious folks donate more time and money to charity than mainstream America.



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I think this comment is even more interesting. I don't know who you define as extreme right. For me, extreme right is Hitler, a fascist, Mussolini.

The left calls the religious folks the extreme right and it is a fact that the religious folks donate more time and money to charity than mainstream America.
Well for the purpose of this thread I'd define extreme right as those folks are just against any form of welfare. I guess I should include many on the left as well. I should have just left it as Jackwad and idiot and called it a day :D They occupy both sides of the political spectrum. And I have little sympathy for the cause of someone who would categorically dismiss all the poor and homeless as worthless trash. Problems go with the territory. Take 50 people at random off this forum and remove all their income and savings. I'll wager a good percentage would steal and resort to most any means vs starvation.

I would add that if I were homeless, I'd be pleased to have a vagabond camper or motorhome to sleep in rather than in the river bed or on a bench regardless of how shitty it appeared. We must be careful of how we label the downtrodden by appearance and consider their lack of means (just as I need to be careful how I label the charitable by party affiliation).
 

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Well for the purpose of this thread I'd define extreme right as those folks are just against any form of welfare. I guess I should include many on the left as well. I should have just left it as Jackwad and idiot and called it a day :D They occupy both sides of the political spectrum. And I have little sympathy for the cause of someone who would categorically dismiss all the poor and homeless as worthless trash. Problems go with the territory. Take 50 people at random off this forum and remove all their income and savings. I'll wager a good percentage would steal and resort to most any means vs starvation.

I would add that if I were homeless, I'd be pleased to have a vagabond camper or motorhome to sleep in rather than in the river bed or on a bench regardless of how shitty it appeared. We must be careful of how we label the downtrodden by appearance and consider their lack of means (just as I need to be careful how I label the charitable by party affiliation).
It is definitely not a right , left issue. Its a human nature issue. The government is usually the problem. The story I posted not long ago. A woman from the suburbs of Philadelphia was feeding 600 poor children regularly at her house with donations received by the Archdiocese of Philadelphia until the city of Chester shut her down for a city ordinance violation.

I grew up where poor neighborhoods were entrenched amongst wealthier neighborhoods. I find people looking for a balance. Everyone wants to help and give to those less fortunate on one hand, on the other they drive through the poor neighborhood and see the new housing project erected by tax payers money being destroyed with graffiti and used needles lying all over the ground. You don't want to see the same thing happen in your neighborhood so you direct all your efforts to that neighborhood but eventually you get a chip on your shoulder. You realize that you can lead a horse to water, but you can not make it drink.

Charity often can be compared to the statement, don't mistake my kindness for weakness. I have lived with people less fortunate and I have helped people less fortunate, and I have been FK'D over by people less fortunate.

To add, I have been the less fortunate too. I didn't come from a family of privelage.



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Take 50 people at random off this forum and remove all their income and savings. I'll wager a good percentage would steal and resort to most any means vs starvation.
I disagree. Being poor does not make you a criminal especially when you live in the United States of America, where people help people and governments steal from people to help keep people poor.

At one of my sons basketball games, parents were talking about not needing the food but going to get the 25.00 box of food from the charitable organization just because you could.

You are who you are, no matter your circumstance. Desperate people may do desperate things but good people don't steal nor do they need to steal when there is so much help available if you want it.

Truth be told. Where I grew up, 75% of the working population is in one union or another. The area is predominantly democrats, and they are the BIGGEST group of anti welfare anti charity and racist group of people I know. Thats a generalization applying to a majority not a minority. They hate white trash as much as blacks that works the system.
If you polled the people there and asked them if they supported drug tests for welfare and accountability, similiar to what even CVX mentioned in a recent thread. You would see overwhelming support even from past welfare recipients. The people of PA passed a voter ID law although a few days ago the SC of Pa put the law on hold , accusations of being unjust even though a state ID is provided to poor people free of charge to them.



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This is really anything new or unique to this time. Harry Chandler was able to get the LAPD to block mid west immigrants from entering CALIFORNIA, not just Los Angeles, but stopped them at the border in Needles. Nobody did anything about a city police force from stoppping US citizens from cross a state border outside the police forces jurisdiction.
The will never be a shortage of uncaring self centered assholes, nor will there ever be a shortage of poor.
As JBP said, some of the places become magnets for more than just people looking for food. And they are easy to spot. In the 30's, they had a whole different way and means of dealing with those type, which were much fewer. Today, transients, by choice, far out number the turely down and out at no fault of their own.

There are two sides to this coin. Some people really do need help. But how many want to see them open a "soup kitchen" around the corner from you house, on the route your kids take to school.

The governments are making it too easy to be "in the system". Personally, I think those that truley need help no fault of their doing, and have worked and paid into the system in the past, or those the mentally or physically cannot provide for themselves are being screwed over big time by those working the system.

I think if I was in that posotion, I would be more pissed at the abusers than I am as a middle american tax payer. I would see the low lifes as thieving directly from my pocket. The ones that REALLY need the help, and UNTIL they get back on the feet are the ones getting robbed.



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This is really anything new or unique to this time. Harry Chandler was able to get the LAPD to block mid west immigrants from entering CALIFORNIA, not just Los Angeles, but stopped them at the border in Needles. Nobody did anything about a city police force from stoppping US citizens from cross a state border outside the police forces jurisdiction.
The will never be a shortage of uncaring self centered assholes, nor will there ever be a shortage of poor.
As JBP said, some of the places become magnets for more than just people looking for food. And they are easy to spot. In the 30's, they had a whole different way and means of dealing with those type, which were much fewer. Today, transients, by choice, far out number the turely down and out at no fault of their own.

There are two sides to this coin. Some people really do need help. But how many want to see them open a "soup kitchen" around the corner from you house, on the route your kids take to school.

The governments are making it too easy to be "in the system". Personally, I think those that truley need help no fault of their doing, and have worked and paid into the system in the past, or those the mentally or physically cannot provide for themselves are being screwed over big time by those working the system.

I think if I was in that posotion, I would be more pissed at the abusers than I am as a middle american tax payer. I would see the low lifes as thieving directly from my pocket. The ones that REALLY need the help, and UNTIL they get back on the feet are the ones getting robbed.
Well said,
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This is really anything new or unique to this time. Harry Chandler was able to get the LAPD to block mid west immigrants from entering CALIFORNIA, not just Los Angeles, but stopped them at the border in Needles. Nobody did anything about a city police force from stoppping US citizens from cross a state border outside the police forces jurisdiction.
The will never be a shortage of uncaring self centered assholes, nor will there ever be a shortage of poor.
As JBP said, some of the places become magnets for more than just people looking for food. And they are easy to spot. In the 30's, they had a whole different way and means of dealing with those type, which were much fewer. Today, transients, by choice, far out number the turely down and out at no fault of their own.

There are two sides to this coin. Some people really do need help. But how many want to see them open a "soup kitchen" around the corner from you house, on the route your kids take to school.

The governments are making it too easy to be "in the system". Personally, I think those that truley need help no fault of their doing, and have worked and paid into the system in the past, or those the mentally or physically cannot provide for themselves are being screwed over big time by those working the system.

I think if I was in that posotion, I would be more pissed at the abusers than I am as a middle american tax payer. I would see the low lifes as thieving directly from my pocket. The ones that REALLY need the help, and UNTIL they get back on the feet are the ones getting robbed.
Agreed. The government has created a system that allows people to become dependent on it. We have all probably been witness to someone working the system and know it is a way of life for the real entitled crowd. Entitled has a definition and it isn't poor due to circumstance beyond our control.

People are victims of circumstance, however that doesn't really make you a victim of anything unless you are physically or mentally challenged by a disability that prevents you from changing your circumstance. We will always have poor people and we can't change that. We don't leave poor people to die. We have many programs, shelters, charity, welfare, the list goes on and on. People that want help can get it if they want. Some homeless people, choose that lifestyle, it is a lifestyle. We are more bothered by it then they are.

I lived below the poverty level, my family rose above it when I was little. I also know a lot of people who have and do live below the poverty level and those same people would give you the shirt off their back. People from all walks of life help each other in need.

Thats why I say being poor does not make you a criminal. Desperate people who do result to crime have usually burned their bridges and ran out of chances and people willing to help them. You can't help someone, who won't help themself.

Pitting poor people against rich people in the name of democracy is another ploy from the left. The same thing they do with race, religion, sexuality and women.

The lefts favorite rhetoric.....the right hates poor people, black people, purple, yellow and brown people, women, gays, etc...... its called identity politics.



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There will always be those who will take advantage of the compassion of those who wish to help.
There will always be those who will take advantage of those who need the help.
The difficult part is that they look, talk, walk, and dress just like the rest of us.
If someone wants to save the human race, they need to come up with a way to positively identify and differentiate those who do truly need the help, from those who don't, because human nature will never change.
Some special glasses maybe?
Rex, I completely get what you were trying to say and I agree. The answers to any problem are seldom found in the extremes.
 

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There will always be those who will take advantage of the compassion of those who wish to help.
There will always be those who will take advantage of those who need the help.
The difficult part is that they look, talk, walk, and dress just like the rest of us.
If someone wants to save the human race, they need to come up with a way to positively identify and differentiate those who do truly need the help, from those who don't, because human nature will never change.
Some special glasses maybe?
Rex, I completely get what you were trying to say and I agree. The answers to any problem are seldom found in the extremes.
Well spoken. :))THumbsUp
 
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