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Remember this flap involving the head of Homeland Security? Well...


Watchdog group: Dozens of active-duty troops found on neo-Nazi site



By Kevin Baron, Stars and Stripes
Mideast edition, Friday, July 10, 2009
In his "about me" section, "SoldatAMG" describes himself as a "Sergeant in USMC stationed at Camp Lejeune. I recently returned from my 3rd trip to Iraq. I fight every day to stem the tide of multicultturalism and to ensure that my children have a better world. SIEG HEIL!"

"geisler" identifies himself as "in the army as a human resources specialist." He says he is ready "to find a woman I can settle down with and have a nice, WHITE family (unlike some in the army with all the race traitors)." Among his hobbies is "to further the preservation and existence of our race. That, and helping those victims of race mixing (because I was one)."

"BounceandBurst" says he is "tired of the destruction of our clean white culture and heritage, the poison of black culture in our society, and the illegal invasion of mexico into our sovereign nation."





WASHINGTON — It is Facebook for the fascist set, and the typical online profiles of its members reveal expected tastes.
Favorite book: “Mein Kampf.”
Favorite movie: the Nazi propaganda film “Triumph of the Will.”
Interests: “white women.”
Dislikes: “anyone who opposes the master race.”

But there’s one other thing that dozens of members of newsaxon.org, a white supremacist social networking website, have in common: They proudly identify themselves as active-duty members of the U.S. armed forces.

The Southern Poverty Law Center, the Montgomery, Ala.-based watchdog group that tracks extremist hate groups, has compiled a book containing the online user profiles of at least 40 newsaxon.org users who say they are serving in the military, in apparent violation of Pentagon regulations prohibiting racist extremism in the ranks.

On Friday, the SPLC will present its findings to key members of Congress who chair the House and Senate committees overseeing the armed forces and urge them to pressure the Pentagon to crack down. “In the wake of several high-profile murders by extremists of the radical right, we urge your committees to investigate the threat posed by racial extremists who may be serving in the military to ensure that our armed forces are not inadvertently training future domestic terrorists,” Morris Dees, SPLC co-founder and chief trial counsel, wrote to the legislators. “Evidence continues to mount that current Pentagon policies are inadequate to prevent racial extremists from joining and serving in the armed forces.”

Added Mark Potok, editor of the Intelligence Report, a magazine produced at the law center: “The Pentagon really has shrugged this off and refused to look at this in any serious way.”

On the newsaxon.org website, which Potok termed “a racist version of Facebook run by the National Socialist Movement,” many participants list their branch of service, base location and hometown on colorful pages festooned with Nazi art and Confederate battle flags. Some say they have served or will soon be deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan. Several include pictures of themselves in camouflage combat uniforms.

One participant under the username “WhitePride85,” who said he is a 24-year-old staff sergeant from Madison, Wis., wrote: “I have been in the Army for over 5 years now ... I am a SSGT ... I have been in Iraq and Kuwait ... I love and will do anything to keep our master race marching. I have been a skinhead forever.”

The SPLC, which has previously alerted the military to the presence of racist extremists in its ranks, said none of the profiles its researchers discovered on the white supremacist website revealed the real names of participants, and the organization made no attempt to discover their identities.
“We can’t verify these things,” Potok said, because his group does not have access to military personnel records. “We feel that clearly military investigators could.”

A Stripes reporter searched the user profiles listing their job category as “Military” and found 130 hits out of 7,906 total members.

A Defense Department directive issued in 1996 lays out the guidelines for “dissident” activities by service members, from publishing underground newspapers to organizing demonstrations. “Military personnel must reject participation in organizations that espouse supremacist causes,” the rule states. “Active participation, such as publicly demonstrating or rallying, fund raising, recruiting and training members, organizing or leading such organizations, or otherwise engaging in activities in relation to such organizations ... that are viewed by command to be detrimental to the good order, discipline, or mission accomplishment of the unit, is incompatible with Military Service, and is, therefore, prohibited.”

But military officials gave conflicting answers this week when asked how policies governing racist behavior are being enforced. A spokesman for the Department of the Army said the service takes seriously any allegations of membership in racist, extremist or hate groups. But he said such allegations are dealt with on a case-by-case basis at the unit disciplinary level or in the military justice system, and are not being addressed as an Army-wide problem.

The Army spokesman then referred Stripes to the Army’s Criminal Investigation Command for more information. But that office refused to comment on Army policy on hate groups, saying that the issue of extremists infiltrating the ranks was “an Army-wide issue” that should be addressed at the service command level. “If a sergeant is assigned to Fort Bragg,” said Army spokesman Wayne Hall, “the Fort Bragg office of Criminal Investigation Command is going to investigate that individual, not the Department of the Army at this level.”

If, for example, a soldier is found to have participated in a neo-Nazi rally, “Then it comes down to the unit commander,” Hall said. “It’s a violation of good order and discipline.”
Hall added that extremist tattoos such as a swastika should disqualify an applicant for enlistment, but he could not say what disciplinary actions might be faced by an active-duty soldier found with such markings.

Potok said the SPLC has often encountered confusion within the U.S. military about how to interpret “active participation.”
“That is the phrase that is often misunderstood,” he said. “We know for a fact that military officials, in many cases, read ‘active participation’ as only recruiting people into another group, or only participating in some kind of hate group event off base.”

In 2006, several members of Congress called for clearer language on such policies but got little reaction from the Pentagon, which has long said it has enough regulations to handle racists and extremists.

But last month, Rep. Alcee Hastings, D-Fla., attached an amendment to the 2010 defense authorization bill that would expressly ban the “recruitment, enlistment or retention” of anyone tied to an extremist group. “The problem is that in many instances, recruiters and commanding officers are looking the other way,” Hastings said in a statement. “The United States Government should not be providing the highest quality of military training in the world to individuals who hope to use that training in a ‘race war’ or in an effort to overthrow the United States Government.”

This week, Stripes e-mailed interview requests to more than a dozen newsaxon.org participants claiming military affiliations. Only one responded. The user, “clarkpatrick88,” said he would not reveal his real identity for fear of reprisals, but he said he was a 19-year old sailor. His profile includes a picture in which he is holding a Confederate insignia while wearing his blue Navy working uniform with a name patch reading “Clark.” The number 88 is commonly used among neo-Nazis as shorthand to the greeting, “Heil Hitler.” “As for my political views, I have never once put them before my duty I signed up for,” the sailor said in one of his e-mails. “I didn’t outwardly show my beliefs or cause trouble.”

The sailor said he grew so frustrated at military life and at being closely quartered with servicemembers of other races that he sought psychiatric counseling for suicidal thoughts. He spent three days in the “psych ward,” he said, and is now being separated from the service on its recommendation.

In 2006, the SPLC released a report asserting that “thousands” of active-duty troops like clarkpatrick88 could have hate group affiliations. The law center said that some military officers conceded that recruitment and retention pressures forced them to look the other way when presented with overwhelming evidence of hate group membership. Later, the FBI said it suspected hundreds of servicemembers had been recruited into extremist groups.

Last November, the SPLC, feeling its warnings to former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld had been ignored, urged the current secretary, Robert Gates, to revisit the issue.
“Since we issued our 2006 report, the problem may have worsened,” SPLC President Richard Cohen wrote to Gates.
By this spring, a Department of Homeland Security report said law enforcement groups should beware of extremists coming out of military duty or groups trying to recruit susceptible veterans for their combat skills.

http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=63650
 

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yawn.....

Whats the matter? get banned from the PR section again?
 

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Catpoo, why don't you do something constructive and find out the breakout of all the neo Nazi’s by job description and see what the demographics’ are....then go to the black panther, Rev. Wright’s Church or other comparable website and do the same....I think what you find scandalous here would be a greater surprise on the reverse?
 

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And your useless point is what?????

Are you really Nancy Pelosi and Barbara Boxer's bitch??

I would bet that the average is less than the cross section of white supremest in the nation much like other street gangs that have joined the military. Are you trying to say that our military is full of anti-Americans or white supremest??? I also noticed that they didn't mention that they were also worried about gangs that have infiltrated the military. They are also weeding them out but it isn't mentioned in you article. This is typical of a one sided, left slanted media hype that you would read!!!

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And your useless point is what?????

Are you really Nancy Pelosi and Barbara Boxer's bitch??

I would bet that the average is less than the cross section of white supremest in the nation much like other street gangs that have joined the military. Are you trying to say that our military is full of anti-Americans or white supremest??? I also noticed that they didn't mention that they were also worried about gangs that have infiltrated the military. They are also weeding them out but it isn't mentioned in you article. This is typical of a one sided, left slanted media hype that you would read!!!

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Has nothing to do with Boxer and Pelosi, they were not involved. This vindicates the Homeland Security director. Not only was she right, I guarantee this doesn't even scratch the scratch on the surface of extremists in the Military.

Also, note that the article appears in the STARS AND STRIPES, the top military publication so obviously they think the problem is real.
 

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Has nothing to do with Boxer and Pelosi, they were not involved. This vindicates the Homeland Security director. Not only was she right, I guarantee this doesn't even scratch the scratch on the surface of extremists in the Military.

Also, note that the article appears in the STARS AND STRIPES, the top military publication so obviously they think the problem is real.
I agree... it's a problem. Problem is, there are Socialists troubled by neo-nazis. As far as threats to the nation go.... HELLO POT!
 

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Has nothing to do with Boxer and Pelosi, they were not involved. This vindicates the Homeland Security director. Not only was she right, I guarantee this doesn't even scratch the scratch on the surface of extremists in the Military.

Also, note that the article appears in the STARS AND STRIPES, the top military publication so obviously they think the problem is real.


So why are you worried about vindicating our dike Homeland Security Director, are you one of her bitches? Arizona was glad to get rid of her!
 

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I agree... it's a problem. Problem is, there are Socialists troubled by neo-nazis. As far as threats to the nation go.... HELLO POT!
lol, i'm with ya. let's here how many freaks in the forces post on the obama forum, that place is nothing but hate whitey:)bulb
 

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Please cat, take this stuff to the PRF
He can't 'cause he's banned just like a dozen other sites where he posts his drivel......It's impossible to have any kind of intelligent conversation with him interjecting his hate spiel.

You defend him often enough, grab hold of his leash and jerk his idiot asse back in the trailer park.:)hand;)
 

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Has nothing to do with Boxer and Pelosi, they were not involved. This vindicates the Homeland Security director. Not only was she right, I guarantee this doesn't even scratch the scratch on the surface of extremists in the Military.

Also, note that the article appears in the STARS AND STRIPES, the top military publication so obviously they think the problem is real.
No just pointing out that you, much like those two are against protecting our Nation the way it should be.

 

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Please cat, take this stuff to the PRF
Moderators, I would like to nominate Ultra as a moderator to this site.....He has done an excellent job of determining what is to be posted where and other important things......despite the "open forum" being open to all topics and his problem with that, oh and his problem with the truth, he has done a great job as a defacto moderator or better yet a hindrance to free speech but other than he has done a fantastic job and should be recognized properly!
 

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First. A disclaimer.

I have no use for extremists from any walk of life. White, black, brown, yellow, red, or any combination of the above. They are a waste of the air we breathe.

That being said. Let's show both sides of the story.

Gangs Are Training In The Military

It is sad, but true, that street gang members have infiltrated our U.S. armed forces. They appear to be volunteering, not to serve our country, but to learn how to use military tactics and to learn how to kill. There is evidence of these gang bangers appearing with more and more frequency in many parts of the world - where ever our military forces are serving.

The following news article appeared in the "Stars and Stripes" the military newspaper for all branches of services. It contains alarming news about this growing problem.

FBI says U.S. criminal gangs are using military to spread their reach

By Seth Robson, Stars and Stripes

GRAFENWÖHR, Germany — U.S. criminal gangs have gained a foothold in the U.S. military and are using overseas deployments to spread tentacles around the globe, according to the FBI. FBI gang investigator Jennifer Simon said in an e-mail to Stars and Stripes this week that gang members have been documented on or near U.S. military bases in Germany, Italy, Japan, South Korea and Iraq.

“It’s no secret that gang members are prevalent in the armed forces, including internationally,” Simon said, adding that the FBI is preparing to release a report on gangs in the military.

Among the cases:

¶ In Iraq, armored vehicles, concrete barricades and bathroom walls have served as canvasses for spray-painted gang art. At Camp Cedar II, about 185 miles southeast of Baghdad, a guard shack was recently defaced with “GDN” for Gangster Disciple Nation, along with the gang’s six-pointed star and the word “Chitown,” according to the Chicago Sun-Times.

¶ In Germany, a soldier is being prosecuted this week for the murder of Sgt. Juwan Johnson, beaten to death on July 4, 2005, allegedly during a Gangster Disciple initiation in Kaiserslautern.

¶ In September, Department of Defense Dependents Schools in Europe warned teachers and parents to watch out for signs of gang activity, including the deadly MS-13 gang. At the time, DODDS-Europe public affairs officer David Ruderman said there had been two incidents in the past 18 months that involved students fighting, wearing gang colors or claiming to be members of gangs. In one of the incidents, a student’s family member may have been a gang member, he said.

¶ Earlier this year, Kadena Air Base on Okinawa established a joint service task force to investigate gang-related activity involving high school teens linked through the Web site MySpace.com.

Last year, the U.S. Army conducted 11 felony investigations into gang activity, one of those being the death of Johnson, said Christopher Grey, a spokesman for the Army Criminal Investigation Command (CID) in Virginia. Three of the incidents, including the Johnson case, took place in Europe, Grey said.

“We investigate all credible reports of gang activity,” Grey said, adding that CID has programs to combat gang activity in the Army.

Soldiers are reluctant to talk openly about gang problems. However, Spc. Bautista Kylock, 21, of the 2nd Cavalry (Stryker) Regiment in Vilseck, Germany, said last week that there are gang members within his unit.

Kylock blamed recent violence around Vilseck on soldiers affiliated with the Crips and Bloods street gangs.

Scott Barfield, a former Defense Department gang detective at 2nd Cav’s last duty station, Fort Lewis, Wash., told the Sun-Times earlier this year that he had identified more than 300 soldiers at the base as gang members.

“I think that’s the tip of the iceberg,” he said.

However, Vilseck Provost Marshal Maj. Robert Ray said there is not a big gang problem in Vilseck and he has no information on gang members within 2nd Cav.

“The military comes from all walks of lives, from rich to poor, and with that comes the ‘society,’” Ray said. “Are there members of the military that belong to gangs? No doubt about it. But the military is not rampant with gang members.

“The military chain of commands do not tolerate things like that and do their best to weed out problems,” he said.

There are no official statistics on gang membership in the military, but some experts have estimated that 1 percent to 2 percent of the U.S. military are gang members, Simon said. That compares with just 0.02 percent of the U.S. population believed to be gang members, she wrote.

“Gang membership in the U.S. armed forces is disproportional to the U.S. population,” she added.

Jim Kouri, vice president of the National Association of Chiefs of Police, wrote recently that, in addition to the Gangster Disciples, other Chicago gangs such as the Latin Kings and Vice Lords have infiltrated the military along with neo-Nazi groups.

Although there are no numbers to back it up, Simon believes gang member presence in the U.S. military is increasing.

“The U.S. Army has reported an increase in gang-related activity in the military, although their numbers are low,” she said.

Gang-related activity in the military is highly underreported, and the Army is the only branch of the military that collects gang-related statistics, she wrote.

“It’s often in the military’s best interest to keep these incidents quiet, given low recruitment numbers and recent negative publicity. The relaxation of recruiting standards, recruiter misconduct and the military’s lack of enforcement (gang membership is not prohibited in the Army) have compounded the problem and allowed gang member presence in the military to proliferate,” Simon said.
1 to 2 % of the current 2.3 million service members is between 23,000 and 46,000 gang members in the US Military. And someone's worried about 130 white supremacists? Even if there were 10 times that many (1,300) they are extremely out numbered by 20/40 to one of gang members of "color". While at the same time, minorities make up only 37% of the armed services.

Now where is the uproar about THAT fact?
 

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First. A disclaimer.

I have no use for extremists from any walk of life. White, black, brown, yellow, red, or any combination of the above. They are a waste of the air we breathe.

That being said. Let's show both sides of the story.



1 to 2 % of the current 2.3 million service members is between 23,000 and 46,000 gang members in the US Military. And someone's worried about 130 white supremacists? Even if there were 10 times that many (1,300) they are extremely out numbered by 20/40 to one of gang members of "color". While at the same time, minorities make up only 37% of the armed services.

Now where is the uproar about THAT fact?
It's out there but <edited by admin, post reported> didn't look up that fact.
I actually saw it on one of the mainstream media outlets. Of course it was slanted against the military.
Thanks for illustrating my earlier post much better than I did.
 

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Moderators, I would like to nominate Ultra as a moderator to this site.....He has done an excellent job of determining what is to be posted where and other important things......despite the "open forum" being open to all topics and his problem with that, oh and his problem with the truth, he has done a great job as a defacto moderator or better yet a hindrance to free speech but other than he has done a fantastic job and should be recognized properly!
Wow wow wow oh wow you actually said something nice about a Liberal. You will rot in hell for sure.
 

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Fragging works

In my unit(s) a gang banger would have been KIA by our side..........You can't push people around when EVERYONE is ARMED. Any gang threats would result in very quick "foxhole justice"...........Just too bad even they are entitled to a flag draped coffin....:mad:.......Ray
 

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Wow wow wow oh wow you actually said something nice about a Liberal. You will rot in hell for sure.
You are probably the only one that saw something nice in what I wrote.....there is a deep level of sarcasim in that comment considering his action today with regards to something else......
 
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