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So I have decided I want to change some things up on the boat. I have seen pics of people running their gate valve from the jet right up under the drivers seat. I have to admit makes for some easy on the fly adjusting. How safe is this though? Do you really want running water coming that far in the boat?

I am running a open cooling system, no Thermostat so each lake is different with regards to water Temp. I'm just tired of burning my self on the headers to turn the gate valve back near the pump while out on the water. Does any one run there Gate valve up near you in the drivers seat? How do you have it routed? I believe the water inlet on Berkeley's is on the drivers side as opposed to mine (WJ) which is on the passenger side.

Another thing I am thinking about doing is moving my dump line to the drivers side of the boat instead of thru the transom. This would be more of a safty thing. I can make sure the water is dumping, instead of having to stand up and try to look back there. Good or bad or to each his own?
 

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I have my water dump line exiting out the drivers side of the boat. I always know if water is coming out, just by looking over the side.

Only problem is one time the hose broke, and I got a shower of hot water:)sphss.
 

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So I have decided I want to change some things up on the boat. I have seen pics of people running their gate valve from the jet right up under the drivers seat. I have to admit makes for some easy on the fly adjusting. How safe is this though? Do you really want running water coming that far in the boat?

I am running a open cooling system, no Thermostat so each lake is different with regards to water Temp. I'm just tired of burning my self on the headers to turn the gate valve back near the pump while out on the water. Does any one run there Gate valve up near you in the drivers seat? How do you have it routed? I believe the water inlet on Berkeley's is on the drivers side as opposed to mine (WJ) which is on the passenger side.

Another thing I am thinking about doing is moving my dump line to the drivers side of the boat instead of thru the transom. This would be more of a safty thing. I can make sure the water is dumping, instead of having to stand up and try to look back there. Good or bad or to each his own?

What you're seeing under the driver's seat is header water, not your main cooling valve.
 

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I run two gate valves, one off the pump just in case of problems and one in front of the header tee. I teed off the line to the main tee to feed my headers and located the valve and header tee behind the back seat, I didnt want a valve inside the "cabin" to have leak. I like the drivers side dump idea and maybe even dumping the bildge pump there, that way you could see if it was working correctly too.
 

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i had a buddy run the header valve under drivers seat for 1 reason. which was to turn water off to headers at idle only. by the way he could care less about the headers they were old and he tried spray painting them black. not too cool IMO. but dif strokes for dif folks. i personaly dont like the idea of that much length of hose or it being in the passenger area
 

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in my miller i come from the pump to a ball valve to a tee be for the motor so i get cold water to the headers so with a fine mist they stay cooler so not to burn you if you rub against them but i still have another ball valve at the tee for the headers at the motor that i work with a lever and a cable under my seat
 

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i had a buddy run the header valve under drivers seat for 1 reason. which was to turn water off to headers at idle only. by the way he could care less about the headers they were old and he tried spray painting them black. not too cool IMO. but dif strokes for dif folks. i personaly dont like the idea of that much length of hose or it being in the passenger area

i did it for the same reason, but my headers are new...

And i keep forgetting to turn the valve on.. I ran mine with -8 so i dont think i will have any problems with blowin a hose @20 psi, maybe just some leaky fittings after awhile:D
 

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The headers I am really not that worried about. That's the only thing that does work Flawless. Below 2K no water is injected as soon as I am above 2K it opens.

What I want to control is the water inlet to the motor. If the gate valve at the pump is closed too much it will run hot, if it's open too much, the headers get water at idle, the pressure is pushing past the ball and spring. Its always a fine tune, as its an open system. One lake will be cooler or warmer than the other thus you make a little run and watch the water temp and adjust from there. Reaching back towards the pump while the headers are hot is getting old.

Basically what you guys have set up for header control i would want to control pump pressure.
 

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I ran my inlet line from my Berk Jet on a 3/4 hose all the way up to a ball valve on the side of my drivers seat then from the ball valve back into the block.

I did this because I can control my water flow levels on the fly, and I didn't want to deal with getting burnt from my headers while messing with a ball valve in the bilge area. I've never had a single leak, been diong this in my boat for a season now and my dad's been doing it for 15 years, works great!

And yes, my dump line comes out the side of the boat too, IMO the best way to go.
 

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The headers I am really not that worried about. That's the only thing that does work Flawless. Below 2K no water is injected as soon as I am above 2K it opens.

What I want to control is the water inlet to the motor. If the gate valve at the pump is closed too much it will run hot, if it's open too much, the headers get water at idle, the pressure is pushing past the ball and spring. Its always a fine tune, as its an open system. One lake will be cooler or warmer than the other thus you make a little run and watch the water temp and adjust from there. Reaching back towards the pump while the headers are hot is getting old.

Basically what you guys have set up for header control i would want to control pump pressure.
If you're adjusting your cooling water to control water flow to your headers, my guess is the problem lies elsewhere. If the Bassett T is working properly, that shouldn't happen. Have you taken the T apart and inspected it. Make sure the spring is installed with the small end up and that there's nothing hanging the ball up like a little twig etc keeping it off the seat?

I haven't touched the valve from pump to motor in 9 years. Shouldn't have to mess with it.
 

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If you're adjusting your cooling water to control water flow to your headers, my guess is the problem lies elsewhere. If the Bassett T is working properly, that shouldn't happen. Have you taken the T apart and inspected it. Make sure the spring is installed with the small end up and that there's nothing hanging the ball up like a little twig etc keeping it off the seat?

I haven't touched the valve from pump to motor in 9 years. Shouldn't have to mess with it.
I really don't adjust the gate valve to control water to the headers. If you open it to much the pressure is too great and it will it will push that ball and spring open. That doesnt mean there is a clog that means the pressure is to great. I recently re built my pump I'm guessing that's why its so efficient.

Thye reason with messing with the gate valve is Every lake is different. If i go to castaic they water temp is in the 60's or so. If i go to BV the water temp is in the 70's. If i leave the valve in the BV setup it will run way too cool on Castaic and vise versa at BV. Just the draw backs of an open cooling system.
 

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i did it for the same reason, but my headers are new...

And i keep forgetting to turn the valve on.. I ran mine with -8 so i dont think i will have any problems with blowin a hose @20 psi, maybe just some leaky fittings after awhile:D
dam i like that, might do some plumbing this winter. where did u get that valve
 

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I really don't adjust the gate valve to control water to the headers. If you open it to much the pressure is too great and it will it will push that ball and spring open. That doesnt mean there is a clog that means the pressure is to great. I recently re built my pump I'm guessing that's why its so efficient.

Thye reason with messing with the gate valve is Every lake is different. If i go to castaic they water temp is in the 60's or so. If i go to BV the water temp is in the 70's. If i leave the valve in the BV setup it will run way too cool on Castaic and vise versa at BV. Just the draw backs of an open cooling system.
This topic has been beat to death. You're worrying too much about the engine temp gauge. Somehow you've gotten convinced that you should be running a steady 160, or 180 or whatever. It's just not so.

I've boated in the middle of January when the water temps are in the 60's and in the summer when it's in the 90's without touching the water valve. Water temp gauge as been as low as 100 degrees and as high as 185 degrees and it works just fine either way. I run this boat that way and ran the one before it the same way.

I'm not the only one doing this. In fact I'd say the majority run their motors this way.

Do what you want, but you're chasing your tail and wasting time for no good reason. Good luck.

Try doing a search on engine temp and see what pops up.
 
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