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Willis runs 7.12,7.23 and 7.25 ET at Bako this Weekend in his Blown Gas Jet. Great job Willis :partyguy:
 

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I saw that. Very happy for him.

Congrats !!
 

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make no mistake this thing is dialed in right now. He is rolling out of the gas by 1000 or sooner. Great job.
oh i know saw it run saturday i just know willis and im sure hes gonna push some more just glad i dont have to change burst panels in between rounds anymore :))THumbsUp
 

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Looks like a NJBA ET Record in BGJ. 7.233 ET. :D
Negative. Records weren't updated but that was fixed this weekend. The bgj record is 6.94. It was set at Elsinore last year. UBFJ, PGJ and BGJ are all owned by Mike Miller Racing engines! UBFJ record is 6.99 and PGJ record is 7.41
 

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negative on that, that time was backed up with a 6.95 at 145.33 miles pr hour witch is not a legal speed to run in a open boat so it must be thrown out!!!!!!!!!!
 

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sorry wrong number, the 6.94 was 145.396 mph. witch is not legal for a open boat speed, that run must be thrown out!!!!!
not entirely accurate. the rules state:

13. The following boats are required to have NJBA safety capsules installed:
a. Jet boats that run 145 MPH or faster.
b. Flat bottom boats that run 145 MPH or faster.
c. Hydro boats that run 165 MPH or faster.
14. RULES FOR BOATS RUNNING SPEEDS REQUIRING CAPSULES.
a. Boats without capsules will be allowed one run per event that meets or
exceeds the speed required for that type of boat to have a capsule.
b. A boat that makes a second run at the same event that requires that type of boat to have a capsule, will not be allowed to run at that event again. The speed and ET for the second run will not be allowed for purposes of qualifying, eliminations or records.

so theoretically, since the run you're referencing was the backup run, it -could- be used IF it was the first time over 145 that weekend.

BUT. neither this rule or any other rule that mentions the 145 limit states whether or not it only applies to 1/4 mile, or both 1/4 and 1000'. all the rule says is "145 MPH or faster". since the rule doesn't specify 1/4 mile, the rule has to apply to either distance. in fact, his first pass of that weekend exceeded 145 mph in 1000'. so -technically-, the above referenced run was the second time during the event he exceeded 145 mph. consequently, the second run should not have been allowed as a record backup. interesting...
 

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not entirely accurate. the rules state:

13. The following boats are required to have NJBA safety capsules installed:
a. Jet boats that run 145 MPH or faster.
b. Flat bottom boats that run 145 MPH or faster.
c. Hydro boats that run 165 MPH or faster.
14. RULES FOR BOATS RUNNING SPEEDS REQUIRING CAPSULES.
a. Boats without capsules will be allowed one run per event that meets or
exceeds the speed required for that type of boat to have a capsule.
b. A boat that makes a second run at the same event that requires that type of boat to have a capsule, will not be allowed to run at that event again. The speed and ET for the second run will not be allowed for purposes of qualifying, eliminations or records.

so theoretically, since the run you're referencing was the backup run, it -could- be used IF it was the first time over 145 that weekend.

BUT. neither this rule or any other rule that mentions the 145 limit states whether or not it only applies to 1/4 mile, or both 1/4 and 1000'. all the rule says is "145 MPH or faster". since the rule doesn't specify 1/4 mile, the rule has to apply to either distance. in fact, his first pass of that weekend exceeded 145 mph in 1000'. so -technically-, the above referenced run was the second time during the event he exceeded 145 mph. consequently, the second run should not have been allowed as a record backup. interesting...
October 21, 2013

Hello People

BP where did you copy this info from? It's wrong :)Unsure

The NJBA Rule says this on pg 17 & 18
RECORDS
1. NJBA will recognize speed and ET records for jet drive or prop drive boats running quarter mile and 1000 feet drag races at NJBA events only.


The way I read it,

it said the speed cannot go faster than "145.00" to be considered for vote.
That 6.94 ET for boat 516 was clocked at 145.396.
Records
8. Open boats cannot set speed (M.P.H.) records faster than the speed that requires them to run a capsule.
145.00 M.P.H. for Jets, 145.00 M.P.H. for Flats, and 165.00 M.P.H. for Hydros.

You left off some important details,

Willis
 

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6/9/2012 9:53 AM - Class:UBFJ
Right 516 - SLAYER JOHN DIGIACINTO 0.000| -0.011| 5.417| 145.706| 6.958| 137.405| 0.00000| 1st 2 FIN


A lot of records have been set at using 1/4 mile MPH and ET. Some of which are over 145 mph at the 1000 ft mark. In the past we have always identified with using 145 mph as the break point at 1320ft.

He ran a 6.94 and a 6.95 that event. Only one of which ran over 145 at the 1/4 mile mark.

Ironically enough, nothing in the rule book states anything about what speed or mph an ET record can be set at. Yes this may be point open for discussion for future races and to be brought up before the board at the next meeting. For right now we must proceed as what is written in the rule book. There will always be things that will be brought up and we cannot foresee all of them. Until specific language is written in the rule book we must go on what is actually written. We cannot say, well this can mean or be interpreted any different that what is written.



We can revert back to the May 2012 race where John D ran two passes all of which were under 145 mph one was 7.03 and the other at 7.14 in BGJ. These are listed under UBFJ because of the power adder class combining PGJ, UBFJ, and BGJ.

5/20/2012 2:38 PM - Class:UBFJ
Right 516 - SLAYER JOHN DIGIACINTO 0.000| 0.269| 5.602| 139.063| 7.143| 141.509| 0.00000|

5/20/2012 11:38 AM - Class:UBFJ
Left 516 - SLAYER JOHN DIGIACINTO 0.000| 0.224| 5.517| 144.076| 7.033| 140.625| 0.36700|

Or we can use times from the may 2012 race at Elsinore were he ran a 7.15 and a 7.13

6/8/2012 1:03 PM - Class:UBFJ
Left 516 - SLAYER JOHN DIGIACINTO 0.000| 0.019| 5.555| 141.612| 7.157| 133.929| 0.00000| Single

6/10/2012 1:26 PM - Class:UBFJ
Left 516 - SLAYER JOHN DIGIACINTO 0.000| 0.205| 5.629| 142.220| 7.135| 143.770| 0.06100| WINNER

Case is closed for the ET record considering the above information.
 

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Hello People

BP where did you copy this info from? It's wrong :)Unsure

The NJBA Rule says this on pg 17 & 18
RECORDS
1. NJBA will recognize speed and ET records for jet drive or prop drive boats running quarter mile and 1000 feet drag races at NJBA events only.
willis, it is not wrong. came straight out of the 2013 rulebook from the njba website, page 13-14 "capsule boats". I would agree that this might be better in the "record" section. just because it's not doesn't invalidate it. it is a set of rules in the rule book that go directly to jim's comment that it had to be thrown out. maybe, maybe not.

The way I read it,

it said the speed cannot go faster than "145.00" to be considered for vote.
That 6.94 ET for boat 516 was clocked at 145.396.
nowhere in the rule book does it say a run faster than 145 cannot be considered for ET records. you can assume that a 145 or greater run has to be thrown out, but that's not what the rulebook states.

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8. Open boats cannot set speed (M.P.H.) records faster than the speed that requires them to run a capsule.
145.00 M.P.H. for Jets, 145.00 M.P.H. for Flats, and 165.00 M.P.H. for Hydros.

You left off some important details,

Willis
no one claimed a 145+mph record. this was about ET. and there is NO statement in the records section that the ET cannot be recognized from the first pass on a weekend a boat makes that exceeds a speed limit. the statement in the capsule section indicates that anyone can exceed the speed ONCE PER WEEKEND. it does not stipulate the speed had to occur in 1/4 mile or 1000'. only says it can be exceeded once per weekend. there is NO sanction against that run whatsoever, other than that the speed cannot be used to set a speed record. the rules are fairly clear in both locations that a record exceeding 145 for jets/flats and 165 for hydro's would not be allowed.
but since the rules do say that they recognize either 1/4 or 1000' records, it would seem that the 145 limit should be applied to both traps.

you should understand, I have absolutely no dog in this discussion. what is very interesting to me is how the rules are written.
 

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Hello People

BP where did you copy this info from? It's wrong :)Unsure

The NJBA Rule says this on pg 17 & 18
RECORDS
1. NJBA will recognize speed and ET records for jet drive or prop drive boats running quarter mile and 1000 feet drag races at NJBA events only.


The way I read it,

it said the speed cannot go faster than "145.00" to be considered for vote.
That 6.94 ET for boat 516 was clocked at 145.396.
Records
8. Open boats cannot set speed (M.P.H.) records faster than the speed that requires them to run a capsule.
145.00 M.P.H. for Jets, 145.00 M.P.H. for Flats, and 165.00 M.P.H. for Hydros.

You left off some important details,

Willis
Hello People,

You are referring to "SPEED" records Willis. You cannot set the "SPEED" or mph record higher than the legal speed allows. But like stated earlier, if it was the back up run and it was only the first time, then it will be allowed for ET record purposes.
 
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