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First off let me say I'm sorry for another starter thread. I'm stumped. I don't know what this thing wants. I'm going to try to stick a vid or 2 up. I think I still have issues with the starter itself, but maybe I'm just too stupid to set it up right. Do you guys think these sparks are from a lack of engagement? It seems kinda weird to me that if I pull the pinion gear forward in to the ring gear by hand it just stays there. I can wiggle the pinion gear slightly clock wise and counter clockwise. So I don't think I'm too tight. I haven't got a clue what to even try at this point.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZYmn4DzRzg
 

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in the first vid, the gear appears to be engaged before you hit the switch. It then appears like the gear is not disengaging and the metal to metal is causing the sparks. Also, the gear should not be engaged in the flywheel before it has power to it.
Dumb question but is your flywheel installed with the proper side out?

In any case, that starter sure sounds to be struggling to turn the engine over....have you tried pulling the plugs and turning it over to see how it spins?

2nd vid ends a smidge too soon
 

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Dumb question but is your flywheel installed with the proper side out?



2nd vid ends a smidge too soon
:)hand Its not going in deep enough and I think that is why its kicking back at you. On backwards is worth about .030 - .060 not in your favour.
 

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I see several issues.

it's not spinning fast enough. Either battery power or starter going bad.

And the starter gear and flywheel are not lined up properly.

First video the starter gear is already engaged.

I think there should be .060 clearance between the point of the starter gear and the valley of the flywheel gear when engaged.

Where is the spring that returns the pinion gear?
 

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I see several issues.

it's not spinning fast enough. Either battery power or starter going bad.

And the starter gear and flywheel are not lined up properly.

First video the starter gear is already engaged.

I think there should be .060 clearance between the point of the starter gear and the valley of the flywheel gear when engaged.
Tooth depth is prob a little tight and holding it....maybe?
 

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If you can pull the pinion gear out by hand theres one problem for sure.
 

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pull all the spark plugs and take another video.

spacing between starter and ring gears look different from one vid to the next...
 

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I'll pull the plugs and shoot another vid I guess. I'm going to shoot the pinon on the starter with some black paint, to try to get a better idea of whats going on. Like I said I find it odd also that the pinion likes to stay stuck in the ring gear. I can pull it fwd by hand,have to twist it usually to get the teeth to line up...and it slips in freely,and stays there.
 

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Is there a spring in the solenoid or did someone forget to put it back in?
That is what i was just going to say. There should be a spring that retracts the bendix. Weird

Most of our chevy starters come with a little dowl .060 think to get the proper alignment between the flywheel and the bendix
 

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Is there a spring in the solenoid or did someone forget to put it back in?
I could be wrong.....but a year or so ago, I remember asking the manuf. wtf is up with the gear sticking dealio. As I recall...they told me the motor starting was supposed to kick the gear back out . I'll call em monday, I have the # memorized.:)sphss
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I could be wrong.....but a year or so ago, I remember asking the manuf. wtf is up with the gear sticking dealio. As I recall...they told me the motor starting was supposed to kick the gear back out . I'll call em monday, I have the # memorized.:)sphss

There is a spring in the starter with the bendix and solenoid that pushes out and retracs the bendix. The bendix shouldnt be touching the flywheel period. What kind of starter is it?
 

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I'll pull the plugs and shoot another vid I guess. I'm going to shoot the pinon on the starter with some black paint, to try to get a better idea of whats going on. Like I said I find it odd also that the pinion likes to stay stuck in the ring gear. I can pull it fwd by hand,have to twist it usually to get the teeth to line up...and it slips in freely,and stays there.
almost sounds like the rod that pushes the bendix gear forward might be disconnected at one end. same thing happend with my spare first thing this year. it would engage enough to start the engine, but then the gear would drag on the ring gear. took it back, company figured out the rod was too short to begin with. i just went out and looked at it, can't move that gear in or out at all, by hand...
 

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Fwiw here is a pic. There are a couple of teeth tword the bottom of the pic that got pretty eaten up. I assume that was part the sparks we saw. Like I said I'm stumped. Depth looks pretty good to me??? It may could be moved a little bit foreward. If I take out the 1/4" home grown shim(s) in the pic, the starter touches the flexplate, so I can't change that alot.
 

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Silly question here. Why isnt there a nose cone?


The bendix shouldnt be out like that. Is there anything behind the bendix? spring attached anything?
 

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If you can pull it out by hand it's junk.

You have to get a .060 round wire and shim it until that is the clearance.

And it's sounds too slow of a cranking speed to me.

Wait? Did I say all that already :D

It will be OK man

You can electrically send the bendix out and spring pressure returns it. The engine starting might disengage it but it doesnt return it. It returns when you hear the engine start and get off the start switch

You can also electrically spin the starter motor without engaging the bendix.

Basic starter troubleshooting
 

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I could be wrong.....but a year or so ago, I remember asking the manuf. wtf is up with the gear sticking dealio. As I recall...they told me the motor starting was supposed to kick the gear back out . I'll call em monday, I have the # memorized.:)sphss
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7WwhEbUHWM
That isnt right. No wonder your bustin starters. Probably when its running it keeps smashing the gear in and out as your going down the river.
 

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I still wanna know where the nose cone is. lol. Kidding.

like info said simple starter failure right there. Spring is probally broken or stretched out like a million doller whore. Get a new starter, ditch that big shim. Align it to .060 with a dowl and you will be good.
 
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