Wags, if you are on Amsoils E mail list you get articles like that about once a month. That one was from Amsoil. The bottom line on that and many of the articles they write is, don't screw with the oil. Buy the right oil to begin with, which I tend to agree with. I would never suggest to someone that they buy some cheap oil and add anything. If your going to do that, be sure what it is your adding and how much.WTF... real info on addatives and it doesn't get a second look. Link is to speedfreak site.
There is a wide variety of Gibbs oils. Both synthetic and conventional. Huge price swing as well.Okay may I get opinions on Gibbs oil? Thinking about using it on a new build. Mark
You have to be carefull with some oils the way they are marketed. Kendall is one of them. There is Kendall GT1 blend and full synthetic, THEN there is Kendall GT1 High Performance blend and full synthetic, as well as Kendall Ultimate GT1 synthetic and Kendall GT1 CONVENTIONALanyone run Kendall- Liquid Titanium
with added Zinc
Steve I can set you up with my guy,, he isn't far from you anyway. I know he has Brad Penn and Torco,, not sure about the others.GN7 Bob, if availability wasn't an issue or even delivery to your door, of the three oils Lucas, Amsoil or Torco, which would you use. And what weight. Considering becoming a dealer, with 5 boats every oil change becomes a pain as far as getting the stuff I prefer.
You can't go wrong with all three in your engine. As a dealer trying to turn product, thats another story. Lot of online competition with the Amsoil.I have been reading nothing but good things about Lucas but I personally like Torco. Spent a couple of hours with Wilkes this morning and he is extensively testing all the Lucas products.
i dont mean to beat a dead horse, but i am kinda lost, i have not read the whole thread, im always on my way to work, or im getting called to go to work when i start reading (im on call, no set schedule) so my question is, do i need zddp in my oil? Its a 351 cleveland, comp cam flat tappet, motor, it is not a race motor, but it is a flat tappet cam, i use castrol 10-30 or 10-40, i am thinking this oil needs the zddp? I have not seen torco or any of the other oils you guys talk about around here? Maybe i need to go to the other side of town to see if they have that stuff, but the question is does the regular off the shelf castrol stuff need the additive? I also have a chevy 327 flat tappet in a 66 truck, it has a kinda big cam (flat tappet) i dont want to round the lopes on a fairly new rebuild, it seems that most places here have regular oil (off the shelf) so thats why i started putting zddp in....thankswhy not just buy the right oil to start with.
:spam:You don't see Torco or Brad Penn or any of the better oils because they are not legal for over the counter sales. Speed shops, and online are the only places you will see them.
Don't read too much into the link. The guy is not a petrochemist. I don't put much weight on what he said, and I assure you, neither do the cam grinders and lifter manufactures. There is a reason they either supply that stuff or direct you to get some. If you buy ZDDPlus or MaxZDDP, or some other additive from somebody else, how do they benefit from it? The idea that is all a gimmick thought up by the cam comapanies is ludicrous.
I think your better off with a straight 30 wt, and I think you'll find that most of the cam grinders think the same.
If you have to run a multi grade, consider something "outside" the automotive labels. Like maybe Lucas Marine conventional. They don't have PLAY by the rules governing automotive oils.
I ran Castrol in a VW for years. I would run it in a lawn mower today. When a oil company either lies, hides the truth, I am done with them. Castrol "redefined" what the term synthetic means and there is nothing anybody can do to stop them. Mobil tried and failed. When you read "synthetic" on a Castrol label, it doesn't mean a damn thing. How many other "retail" oil companies are doing the same? Hard to tell. But to my knowledge none of the big names are, but I have my doubts about Valvoline. They are more than capable. So I avoid them too.
In my personal opinion, the motor oil game is the dirtest play game in the auto industry today. I simply perfer to go with trusted names in racing oils. The old standby names like Castrol, Pennzoil, Valvoline, and Kendall are no longer the players in the performance oil game, and certainly with the oils you buy over the counter. Their heads are in the NEW CAR game.