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    Anyone know who makes these turnbuckle bases?
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    They have a part number stamped on the bottom of 264-17. I called Bergeron and they are going to see if they have any that were take offs. I need two more to take the B-boat up to 10 turnbuckles and I'd like them all to match.

    Well that is if I can find a shop around here to get new plates made. Two shops today told me they never heard anyone ask for the grain of the metal to run a certain direction. One of them told me the old cav plate was special metal because it was metric (he measured it at .207 thick). I tried to explain to him that it was probably standard .250 that was sanded and polished at one point in it's life. He said, no it was metric and it was probably special ordered, especially if the grain direction has to be identified so the part can be cut out a certain way.

    I sure do envy some of you on the coast where parts and suppliers are easy to find.
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    Quote Originally Posted by snoc653 View Post
    I sure do envy some of you on the coast where parts and suppliers are easy to find.
    Why not just order all new stuff. That's what everyone else does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snoc653 View Post
    Anyone know who makes these turnbuckle bases?
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    They have a part number stamped on the bottom of 264-17. I called Bergeron and they are going to see if they have any that were take offs. I need two more to take the B-boat up to 10 turnbuckles and I'd like them all to match.

    Well that is if I can find a shop around here to get new plates made. Two shops today told me they never heard anyone ask for the grain of the metal to run a certain direction. One of them told me the old cav plate was special metal because it was metric (he measured it at .207 thick). I tried to explain to him that it was probably standard .250 that was sanded and polished at one point in it's life. He said, no it was metric and it was probably special ordered, especially if the grain direction has to be identified so the part can be cut out a certain way.

    I sure do envy some of you on the coast where parts and suppliers are easy to find.
    Those are odd looking. Is the hole size 1/4" ? Your plates were originally 1/4". It's not really the direction of the grain in the material, but rather the direction the material was drawn as it was cold worked. Always the long dimension in a sheet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by snoc653 View Post
    Anyone know who makes these turnbuckle bases?
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    They have a part number stamped on the bottom of 264-17. I called Bergeron and they are going to see if they have any that were take offs. I need two more to take the B-boat up to 10 turnbuckles and I'd like them all to match.

    Well that is if I can find a shop around here to get new plates made. Two shops today told me they never heard anyone ask for the grain of the metal to run a certain direction. One of them told me the old cav plate was special metal because it was metric (he measured it at .207 thick). I tried to explain to him that it was probably standard .250 that was sanded and polished at one point in it's life. He said, no it was metric and it was probably special ordered, especially if the grain direction has to be identified so the part can be cut out a certain way.

    I sure do envy some of you on the coast where parts and suppliers are easy to find.
    On your cav parts, check with Mouzer. As many boats as he parts out, he'll probably be the most likely to match it or get pretty close. My SS boat has a couple eyelever pads that are different than the rest and you have to look to really notice. If you care that much about matching exactly, take Jerry's advise and buy new.
    On the material, the shop you were talking to is probably right. There's no way anyone sanded off 0.043" of an entire plate to polish it. I'd be surprised if anybody took 0.004" off. If it's not metric, it's low quality 3/16" plate. I just recently had a buddy bring some store bought (Lowe's or Home Depot) 3/16" aluminum angle for me to machine a bracket out of. It measured just over 0.200" (3/16"= 0.1875")... You probably don't want 1/4" anyway but that's a different subject.
    Call Bergeron/Dan Aaseth (Canyon Marine)/Prime Marine/Precision Craft or any of a handful of others as any of them can help you on both plates and pads.... You don't actually have to live in a particular city to buy from these suppliers as most have access to these brown trucks that go damn near everywhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shan View Post
    Those are odd looking. Is the hole size 1/4" ? Your plates were originally 1/4". It's not really the direction of the grain in the material, but rather the direction the material was drawn as it was cold worked. Always the long dimension in a sheet.
    Thanks, that helps a lot. If all else fails, I'll just buy a 5 by 4 sheet of 1/4" and cut them myself. (the reason for the 5 by 4 is to insure I know which way the long dimension was on the 4X8 sheet). I also need to replace the doublers that were under the bases and run the width of the plates. The original plates had the water pickups right in the way of where the extra turn buckles go. Still haven't decided if I want to reuse the water pickups on the plates or move to something thru-hull. I have noticed that most of the newer setups no longer have the hoses from the plates so I take it the pickups have been moved to the bottom of the hull.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David 519 View Post
    On your cav parts, check with Mouzer. As many boats as he parts out, he'll probably be the most likely to match it or get pretty close. My SS boat has a couple eyelever pads that are different than the rest and you have to look to really notice. If you care that much about matching exactly, take Jerry's advise and buy new.
    On the material, the shop you were talking to is probably right. There's no way anyone sanded off 0.043" of an entire plate to polish it. I'd be surprised if anybody took 0.004" off. If it's not metric, it's low quality 3/16" plate. I just recently had a buddy bring some store bought (Lowe's or Home Depot) 3/16" aluminum angle for me to machine a bracket out of. It measured just over 0.200" (3/16"= 0.1875")... You probably don't want 1/4" anyway but that's a different subject.
    Call Bergeron/Dan Aaseth (Canyon Marine)/Prime Marine/Precision Craft or any of a handful of others as any of them can help you on both plates and pads.... You don't actually have to live in a particular city to buy from these suppliers as most have access to these brown trucks that go damn near everywhere.
    Good point, HUA disability, most of those had 3/16" plates. Mine did originally.
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    those look like Ray Casellis' ,Finish Line Engineering pieces . We have a nos set. Very similar anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shan View Post
    Those are odd looking. Is the hole size 1/4" ? Your plates were originally 1/4". It's not really the direction of the grain in the material, but rather the direction the material was drawn as it was cold worked. Always the long dimension in a sheet.
    Sorry didn't answer your hole size question. The holes are 3/16. And they used bevel headed slotted stainless bolts and nylock nuts.

    Quote Originally Posted by David 519 View Post
    On your cav parts, check with Mouzer. As many boats as he parts out, he'll probably be the most likely to match it or get pretty close. My SS boat has a couple eyelever pads that are different than the rest and you have to look to really notice. If you care that much about matching exactly, take Jerry's advise and buy new.
    On the material, the shop you were talking to is probably right. There's no way anyone sanded off 0.043" of an entire plate to polish it. I'd be surprised if anybody took 0.004" off. If it's not metric, it's low quality 3/16" plate. I just recently had a buddy bring some store bought (Lowe's or Home Depot) 3/16" aluminum angle for me to machine a bracket out of. It measured just over 0.200" (3/16"= 0.1875")... You probably don't want 1/4" anyway but that's a different subject.
    Call Bergeron/Dan Aaseth (Canyon Marine)/Prime Marine/Precision Craft or any of a handful of others as any of them can help you on both plates and pads.... You don't actually have to live in a particular city to buy from these suppliers as most have access to these brown trucks that go damn near everywhere.
    I already called Bergeron and have emailed them the pictures, they are going to see what they have around. And while they don't have to be exactly the same, it would be nice if they were at least very similar. And while they did do some strange things like using valve springs for cav return springs, the boat was built fairly solid. It had a 1" cav bar already so they must have tried to do it right. I just mic'd the double plate and it measures .190 so it might be 3/16" plate. As long as that is what will work, I'm good with whatever it turns out to be.

    As for the brown truck, for what the extra packing and shipping runs, I can buy a lot more of the little odds and ends if I can find what I need locally. Who knows, maybe I can find a good source for metal and fab work and talk them into a sponsorship.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David 519 View Post
    On the material, the shop you were talking to is probably right. There's no way anyone sanded off 0.043" of an entire plate to polish it. I'd be surprised if anybody took 0.004" off. If it's not metric, it's low quality 3/16" plate. I just recently had a buddy bring some store bought (Lowe's or Home Depot) 3/16" aluminum angle for me to machine a bracket out of. It measured just over 0.200" (3/16"= 0.1875")... You probably don't want 1/4" anyway but that's a different subject.
    It could be 3/16 tool plate.



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    In sheet metal thickness gauge charts, aluminum .2043 is listed as 4 gauge sheet. I have no idea what alloys or heat treats are available.
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