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    Has anyone heard of an adjustment bar for the Casale split case ?
    It is a 5/8 bar that goes across and attaches to stringers to adjust V-drive
    I'm looking to buy this boat 77 Howard 21 ft 400 turbo trans,that connects to the 500 Casale.
    the owner says the bar was welded from a breakage in the bar, and now there is no adjustment for the v-drive.
    any info would help

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    I would imagine it is a bar to hold the C 500 from moving. They are rubber mounted to the stringers and we have learned through the years that under power the prop shaft pushes the bottom shaft and in turn makes the boat vibrate. Bergeron makes a real clean set of rods and clevises that lock the v-drive down...but several owners have made they're own bars and lock down set ups...pics would really show me what he did...

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    Thanks for the reply, I haven't bought it yet.
    I ask the owner to send me a photo.
    The owner did say last time out the prop, shaft and v-drive box moved around, That did not sound good. other than that and all the interior needs to be redone, the boat is in good shape.
    I hoping to get it for 5,500.
    This is what I looked up on line, but im not sure if that is what he has, if this not what he has may be this is what I can install.

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    I had an 81 Eliminator Sport Cruiser. Had that v-drive. Boat always had a vibration pulling skiers up...hated it. Pulled shaft and checked for straight...put different propeller on it..had u-joints checked..looked at strut bushing..checked alignment of shaft...and on and on...finally pulled the interior out and took to lake to watch everything in the drivetrain...then I saw the v-drive moving..it actually would put the propshaft in a bind. So you need to check alignment first...make sure strut bushings are perfect and tight...then watch v-drive. But regardless of all that...if it's rubber mounted...it needs to have the kit installed..

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    Thanks Lou, Im new to this, I'm used to Flats, and direct drive ski boats.
    This boat might sell before I learn about it. the owner said he would send me a photo of it, but not sure when.
    Here is a shot of the trany mount.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rattle Can Lou View Post
    I had an 81 Eliminator Sport Cruiser. Had that v-drive. Boat always had a vibration pulling skiers up...hated it. Pulled shaft and checked for straight...put different propeller on it..had u-joints checked..looked at strut bushing..checked alignment of shaft...and on and on...finally pulled the interior out and took to lake to watch everything in the drivetrain...then I saw the v-drive moving..it actually would put the propshaft in a bind. So you need to check alignment first...make sure strut bushings are perfect and tight...then watch v-drive. But regardless of all that...if it's rubber mounted...it needs to have the kit installed..
    Lou, would a 21 ft, 1977 Spectra with Velvet Drive have the same Vibration while pulling?
    I'm looking at two cruisers now,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rattle Can Lou View Post
    I would imagine it is a bar to hold the C 500 from moving. They are rubber mounted to the stringers and we have learned through the years that under power the prop shaft pushes the bottom shaft and in turn makes the boat vibrate. Bergeron makes a real clean set of rods and clevises that lock the v-drive down...but several owners have made they're own bars and lock down set ups...pics would really show me what he did...
    Lou or anybody else that knows, I finally got photos of the Bar that holds the Casale mounted to rubber mounts to the stringers.
    Do this look normal?
    How does the floor attach to the stringers with the fuel tanks in the Bulge area?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wetterthebetter View Post
    Lou or anybody else that knows, I finally got photos of the Bar that holds the Casale mounted to rubber mounts to the stringers.
    Do this look normal?
    How does the floor attach to the stringers with the fuel tanks in the Bulge area?

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    That setup is just screaming for twist in the v-drive under load and creating vibration. I have a 20ft Elininator and also had a 21ft Eliminator and both had a mid-plate in the v-drive SOLID mounted to the stringers and rail kit. If that were mine and I choose to keep it like that I would build struts to the rail kit to eliminate twist in the v-drive at the top of the v-drive itself. I guarantee that under a load the v-drive is twisting front to back throwing every thing in a bind. My 02. M

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    Quote Originally Posted by ol guy View Post
    That setup is just screaming for twist in the v-drive under load and creating vibration. I have a 20ft Elininator and also had a 21ft Eliminator and both had a mid-plate in the v-drive SOLID mounted to the stringers and rail kit. If that were mine and I choose to keep it like that I would build struts to the rail kit to eliminate twist in the v-drive at the top of the v-drive itself. I guarantee that under a load the v-drive is twisting front to back throwing every thing in a bind. My 02. M
    Thanks ol guy, I was just looking at one that had the two top bolts on the Casale were extended out toward and mounted to the front bulk head to stabilize the V-drive.

    There is an other issue I saw in this Howard.
    With the Fuel tanks in the bilge area, How does the floor get installed without putting pressure on the tanks.
    See photos on reply before this one.
    Thanks for all your help, I know about flats and Ski boats, not so much on these Cruisers

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    Regarding the fuel tanks, those appear to be fiberglass tanks, which you would want to replace.
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    Go buy the one in the for sale section and be done...put the Bergeron C-500 lock down kit in it and you will have a very cool boat. It works and it's cheap. Easy install. Glass tanks will, in the end, be a reasonably expensive fix. The other boat has them done...even if you have to borrow some money for Meads boat...mego dollars ahead...JMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rattle Can Lou View Post
    Go buy the one in the for sale section and be done...put the Bergeron C-500 lock down kit in it and you will have a very cool boat. It works and it's cheap. Easy install. Glass tanks will, in the end, be a reasonably expensive fix. The other boat has them done...even if you have to borrow some money for Meads boat...mego dollars ahead...JMO
    I'm with Lou on this one, I think that looks like a pretty sano boat for the money. Unless you know for 1000% sure you'll never put any ethanol mixed fuel in there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rattle Can Lou View Post
    Go buy the one in the for sale section and be done...put the Bergeron C-500 lock down kit in it and you will have a very cool boat. It works and it's cheap. Easy install. Glass tanks will, in the end, be a reasonably expensive fix. The other boat has them done...even if you have to borrow some money for Meads boat...mego dollars ahead...JMO
    Thanks for all the inputs, as for the 80 Horward, I would have to make some changes to the floor and Seating.
    The 77 Howard with the fuel tank replacement , Floor, and Upholstery, to much $$$
    I received some info about a 1977 Spectra 21ft that has been Refurbished and it has the floor layout I'am looking for, good upholstery, rear seating would be a bench seat in front of engine, engine area all covered, Nice tandem trailer
    This Spectra sounds nice for 6400.
    Photos are of boat not finished, the floors have a White float coat

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    Quote Originally Posted by sintax View Post
    I'm with Lou on this one, I think that looks like a pretty sano boat for the money. Unless you know for 1000% sure you'll never put any ethanol mixed fuel in there.
    The one I told him to buy already has the tanks switched out I believe. It's the interior he doesn't like...or lack thereof...

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