Just down at the channel today and noticed stakes on the island side from the dog park the rest of the way south to the swim area. I am not a rocket scientist by any means but I am thinking they are ready to continue building the 'wall'. Why in the world would you not do this Dec-Feb? One more example of heads up arses. Don't give me 'we got the funding now and have to do it now BS'.
ClownRoyal
Here the F we go again...wall construction in channel
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That is a SLIF Grant funded project. The SLIF Grants didn't receive final legislative approval until mid December. Then agreements had to be sent, signed and returned, pushing it into January. No "work" could be done until the City received the agreements back from State Parks.
Proposals, engineering, specs, bid advertising and opening, contract acceptance and other such things take time. I'm surprised they're getting started on it so soon.
They couldn't delay the project until next winter, since there's a specific timetable requirement for completion of the grant project. Also, if the City didn't begin work and using the funds there was a possibility that the Governor would see all that money laying around and strip it to help alleviate the State Budget crisis.
Funds are reimbursed after the City pays the bills. Until the City submits for reimbursement, that money is sitting in a State Park Account.
There may be things that LHC appears to SNAFU, but this one is out of their hands. This is the same grant program that I deal with, so I know of what I speak.
Proposals, engineering, specs, bid advertising and opening, contract acceptance and other such things take time. I'm surprised they're getting started on it so soon.
They couldn't delay the project until next winter, since there's a specific timetable requirement for completion of the grant project. Also, if the City didn't begin work and using the funds there was a possibility that the Governor would see all that money laying around and strip it to help alleviate the State Budget crisis.
Funds are reimbursed after the City pays the bills. Until the City submits for reimbursement, that money is sitting in a State Park Account.
There may be things that LHC appears to SNAFU, but this one is out of their hands. This is the same grant program that I deal with, so I know of what I speak.
Why don't you peeeps from Havisu vote Alan as your representative he stands behind you more than most, He doesn't pull punches or talks side ways. I think that he would be a great representative or how about Sherrif. I don't live there but he cares
snafu,
just like last time, you would think someone would have learned... oh well it will make for a nice improvement
just like last time, you would think someone would have learned... oh well it will make for a nice improvement
They might want to consider some stairs, my wife broke her foot Saturday trying to get down from the wall to the beach.............
I don't know why the city doesn't put mounds of sand in spots between mooring areas for people to walk up and get up on the wall. No cost, and sure would make access easier.
Maybe I'm wrong but are they not going to dredge the area under the bridge and the outfall from the storm runoff channel just north of Rotary Park asap, so the paper says. City Guy where are you??? Come on down. Seems like the appropiate time of year to me, boating season is just starting so lets get going huh? NSF
"Nothing like a bunch of bureaucrats to decide when projects must be completed without any regard to reality."
Unfortunately, it is reality that drives construction schedules. Nontheless, the city public works department is working with the contractor to see if the schedule can be deferred until after Labor Day. There's a good chance that the contractor will not honor their bid that far out given today's volatile economy, so we may be stuck with construction on the seawall possibly through July. If that is the case, the work will be suspended for the holiday weekends and the contractor will be required to assure public access is available during those times.
BoatCop was very accurate with the information about SLIF grant funding and the process that brought us to this point. City Council has placed dredging the south end of the Channel at the top of the list for SLIF funding in the current application cycle, but we are concerned that those funds may be swept by the legislature to offset the state's huge revenue deficit. If money is available for grant funding, we won't know if the dredging project gets an appropriation until sometime later this fall and it wouldn't be funded until about this time next year. The city cannot afford to do the dredging on its own.
The design for the seawall extension will include offsets that will allow for a sand ramp to the beach. The wall will also be set a little further back toward the sidewalk, which makes for a little higher wall in places, but more beach area. Remember, the seawall is an erosion control device designed to keep the sand from washing into the Channel. It can only control sand that is behind the wall.
I hope this information helps your understanding of these points.
For the rest of you - flame away.
hand
Charlie
Unfortunately, it is reality that drives construction schedules. Nontheless, the city public works department is working with the contractor to see if the schedule can be deferred until after Labor Day. There's a good chance that the contractor will not honor their bid that far out given today's volatile economy, so we may be stuck with construction on the seawall possibly through July. If that is the case, the work will be suspended for the holiday weekends and the contractor will be required to assure public access is available during those times.
BoatCop was very accurate with the information about SLIF grant funding and the process that brought us to this point. City Council has placed dredging the south end of the Channel at the top of the list for SLIF funding in the current application cycle, but we are concerned that those funds may be swept by the legislature to offset the state's huge revenue deficit. If money is available for grant funding, we won't know if the dredging project gets an appropriation until sometime later this fall and it wouldn't be funded until about this time next year. The city cannot afford to do the dredging on its own.
The design for the seawall extension will include offsets that will allow for a sand ramp to the beach. The wall will also be set a little further back toward the sidewalk, which makes for a little higher wall in places, but more beach area. Remember, the seawall is an erosion control device designed to keep the sand from washing into the Channel. It can only control sand that is behind the wall.
I hope this information helps your understanding of these points.
For the rest of you - flame away.
handCharlie
How much can it really cost to dredge the channel? It takes what a few hours? Maybe a day tops? Just wondering... The channel is the lowest I have seen it since I moved here 4 years ago. Went through it last night and the deepest my depth finder saw was 8 feet. Thanks god I have a 22" draft...
The last tiime the channel was dredged in 1996/97, LHC got a $500,000 grant for the work. I don't know how much, if any, matching funds they put up for the project, so don't know the total cost.
Look at a 40%-60% (at least) increase in today's dollars. It would take several weeks to dredge the channel, and the north/south entrance ways.
Look at a 40%-60% (at least) increase in today's dollars. It would take several weeks to dredge the channel, and the north/south entrance ways.
Hey Charlie, I remember a thread where a heavy equip operator (here on the boards) offered to do the work by the wash for FREE if someone got him a tractor......
There's a myriad of State and Federal Agencies involved when undertaking a dredging project on Federal Waters.
Army Corps of Engineers (Regulates any work on Federal Waters or shoreline)
Bureau of Reclamation (Altering River Flow)
US Coast Guard (Pollution & Special Notices for dredging operation)
EPA (More Pollution & other environmental issues)
AZDEQ (SAA)
FEMA (Altering the flood plain run-off)
US Fish & Wildlife (Endangered Species)
AZ Game & Fish (SAA)
AZ State Land Dept (Owns the Riverbed & disposal of spoils [removed material])
BLM (disposal of spoils)
Mohave County Health Dept (monitoring bottom disturbance for brain eating amoebas)
CDC (SAA)
That's the short list. There are probably a bunch more that need (or want) to be involved. So you can imagine the hoops they have to jump through to navigate the State and Federal bureaucracy.
Army Corps of Engineers (Regulates any work on Federal Waters or shoreline)
Bureau of Reclamation (Altering River Flow)
US Coast Guard (Pollution & Special Notices for dredging operation)
EPA (More Pollution & other environmental issues)
AZDEQ (SAA)
FEMA (Altering the flood plain run-off)
US Fish & Wildlife (Endangered Species)
AZ Game & Fish (SAA)
AZ State Land Dept (Owns the Riverbed & disposal of spoils [removed material])
BLM (disposal of spoils)
Mohave County Health Dept (monitoring bottom disturbance for brain eating amoebas)
CDC (SAA)
That's the short list. There are probably a bunch more that need (or want) to be involved. So you can imagine the hoops they have to jump through to navigate the State and Federal bureaucracy.
Army Corps of Engineers (Regulates any work on Federal Waters or shoreline)
Bureau of Reclamation (Altering River Flow)
US Coast Guard (Pollution & Special Notices for dredging operation)
EPA (More Pollution & other environmental issues)
AZDEQ (SAA)
FEMA (Altering the flood plain run-off)
US Fish & Wildlife (Endangered Species)
AZ Game & Fish (SAA)
AZ State Land Dept (Owns the Riverbed & disposal of spoils [removed material])
BLM (disposal of spoils)
Mohave County Health Dept (monitoring bottom disturbance for brain eating amoebas)
CDC (SAA
Let me know when these clowns are on Vacation. Shit I'll take 100K of the 500K. Load up my Joses and shovels and have it knocked out by sundown.
Bureau of Reclamation (Altering River Flow)
US Coast Guard (Pollution & Special Notices for dredging operation)
EPA (More Pollution & other environmental issues)
AZDEQ (SAA)
FEMA (Altering the flood plain run-off)
US Fish & Wildlife (Endangered Species)
AZ Game & Fish (SAA)
AZ State Land Dept (Owns the Riverbed & disposal of spoils [removed material])
BLM (disposal of spoils)
Mohave County Health Dept (monitoring bottom disturbance for brain eating amoebas)
CDC (SAA
Let me know when these clowns are on Vacation. Shit I'll take 100K of the 500K. Load up my Joses and shovels and have it knocked out by sundown.
Maybe we can get all the pontoon boats to dredge the channel for us? They don't ever leave the channel anyways!
Glad to see how my post was edited and city guys post was deleted or a portion of it...
Basically I copied his qoute on how the government can skew facts however they want and how ever it may suit them
and I said
So what does that say about the facts he post, They are just as skewed
Man! This is becoming worse than that other website.....
Basically I copied his qoute on how the government can skew facts however they want and how ever it may suit them
and I said
So what does that say about the facts he post, They are just as skewed
Man! This is becoming worse than that other website.....
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